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Spectator article: Don't fall for it people

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JenniferJames · 12/02/2018 20:36

Comrades,

The framing of the self-id debate as 'Corbynistas vs. Mumsnet' is a deliberate tactic by the right wing propaganda machine and done to undermine Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party and paint it as hopelessly divided. We're not.

It is important to remember that only a Corbyn gov't will lift women out of poverty, build homes, invest in the economy, make tuition fees free and stop invading the Middle East. Jeremy, though he doesn't hold our position, is the only Labour MP who has not only come out and said that women are entitled to a debate and to campaign against self-id, but that we have a right to raise money to see if the Equalities Act 2010 exemptions are being misused by AWS.

Hope everyone is well. Mumsnet you are indeed mighty.

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Ekphrasis · 12/02/2018 21:06

The women I know who love JC are unlikely to loose their support for him, despite being against self id, after reading such an article. They are utterly passionate about him. They would see the point in staying and fighting.

I'd never especially liked him due to Brexit and other issues - I feel he spilt the party, or at least didn't unify (I remember Lisa Nandy trying to get him to do so and this was the crux of her resignation) possibly allowing a tide of others who support self id in? I'm not sure but it wasn't good for labour imo.

I don't usually vote labour and am not a member but donated twice to your campaign. I actually might choose to vote labour next time if they can sort this out.

I'm personally only taking the main messages from such articles (ie self id is a concern). So I don't think you need to be as concerned. We're pretty critical readers and thinkers now (reading something you agree with in the mail and not in the guardian kinda makes you so!)

I hope you are ok Thanks

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JenniferJames · 12/02/2018 21:04

Popychk... Well the policy makers in the party are the members. Don't think that we haven't made things happen, we have. Self-id was raised at the last NEC because of us. The NEC were about to confirm that only transwomen with a GRC were eligible for AWS but then the statement was pulled.
We, well mostly you on Mumsnet, with your donations and your amplification, have pushed this into the mainstream. Pretty soon politicians are going to have to break cover on what position they take.

If anyone finds out what their MP thinks, let me know.

MPs definitely for us so far:
Laura Pidcock L
Liz McInness L
Caroline Flint L
David Davies C

MPs definitely against us, ie 'no debate'
Clive Lewis L
Angela Rayner L
Chris Bryant L
Angela Eagle L
Maria Eagle L
Rosie Duffield L
Wes Streeting L

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Terftastic · 12/02/2018 21:03

Jennifer - I really appreciate what you and others have done here. You've raised your head above the parapet, and done so much to raise the issue of self ID and it's repercussions.

Take it easy x

Nickynackynoodle · 12/02/2018 21:03

+1 to EmyRoo

WiggyPig · 12/02/2018 21:02

Being entitled to a debate is thin pickings. Esp from someone who publicly backs self id.

Yeah, that.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 12/02/2018 21:00

I most definitely welcome further light being shone on this issue, and @JenniferJames has done a bang up job of that! Thanks very much for putting yourself on the line for all women. Seriously.

I'm still holding out hope that JC will open up a debate/discussion on Self ID that will educate the public and not just further entrench himself on the side of the TRAs. Time will tell, I suppose.

#nomorenodebate
#Terfragette

The article was FANTASTIC.

EmyRoo · 12/02/2018 20:59

Corbyn - my phone changed it

makeourfuture · 12/02/2018 20:58

Together we can end Tory genocide of the poor, sick and disabled.

DodoPatrol · 12/02/2018 20:57

OK, I hadn't realised you were currently unwell and hyper. I get that.

Trying to shoo people out of Mumsnet threads tends not to work, though.

EmyRoo · 12/02/2018 20:57

I donated to the fundraiser. I am neither a Labour Party member or voter. I voted because I believe in the value of AWS and wanted to support your campaign.
I am sorry this has caused you so much stress. I think it is a cross party issue,though. I don’t want to get into a discussion on what I think about Corbin. I just supported your campaign as I believe in this issue.
I wish you wellFlowers

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JenniferJames · 12/02/2018 20:55

ok 'not my comrade' get out my thread 😂

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JenniferJames · 12/02/2018 20:54

I agree that being allowed a debate is 'thin pickings'. But that's where we were and only 3 weeks ago it was: 'Transwomen are women this is up for debate'. Things are shifting, but it takes time. A letter has gone out to CLPs to that effect... that those opposing self-id must be allowed the space to discuss it.

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YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 12/02/2018 20:54

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MyBrilliantDisguise · 12/02/2018 20:51

I'm not voting Labour next time, not if JC is at the helm. I lost all confidence in him over Brexit - bad enough that twat David Cameron allowed the referendum, but JC could've turned the tide and he didn't. In fact he was completely pathetic. And this women's officer thing - he hasn't got a fucking clue.

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JenniferJames · 12/02/2018 20:50

I work for myself so I've signed myself off, will prob go back this week. I'm fine. It has been a lot like having a newborn... being hyper-awake and exhausted at the same time! Through the worst of it now, it's settling down a bit and the debate is starting to happen.

Thank you. :-)

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Popchyk · 12/02/2018 20:50

And yes we are entitled to a debate.

But not with him or any other policy makers in the Labour Party.

Your gofundme was set up on the 12th of January.

A month on and the only response from the Labour Party has been to claim publicly that the position of the party is that any man who claims to be a woman is a woman.

Oh, and to suspend some LP members for transphobia.

No discussion, no consultation.

Progress it ain't.

But you have shone a light on the whole self-ID thing and for that I am grateful. You've spread discussion on the issue into mainstream media.

DodoPatrol · 12/02/2018 20:50

In my view, articles like the one by Kirkup will help in that, by reaching a wider audience.

Pretending JC isn't scared to piss off transactivists more than he does women... isn't likely to help.

AnotherCassandra · 12/02/2018 20:49

We will help. Leave it to us.

Take two days off and come back, we will update you here. Flowers

doctorcuntybollocks · 12/02/2018 20:48

I'm not your comrade.

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JenniferJames · 12/02/2018 20:47

I do not agree with having transwomen without GRCs as women's officers and will fight against it. Could do with all hands on deck, if you want to help?

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Horridemma · 12/02/2018 20:47

Too late J J.

We already know what JC and the mighty males and trans of the Labour Party machine think of us female third rate citizens. They want my vote but not my opinion.

We are ready to fight for our rights #sexnotgender

TheXXFactor · 12/02/2018 20:46

Jennifer, I understand the stress of this campaign has caused you to be medically signed off work

I'm sorry to hear that. I disagree with you about this, Jennifer, but have great admiration for your fund-raiser and I hope you are OK.

littlbrowndog · 12/02/2018 20:45

Sorry didn’t see message above. Please keep well

DodoPatrol · 12/02/2018 20:44

I'm looking at the issue of whether women, talking about womanhood, are being shouted over by males preferring their own version.

Nothing JC has himself said suggests that he will be setting any limits to this any time soon.

littlbrowndog · 12/02/2018 20:44

Comrades. How weird is that. Allow us to raise money. Wha5 is going on here. Your account been hacked ?