Spectator article: Don't fall for it people

Our job - yours and mine - is not to "hold the Tories to account".

The Tories are not the natural party of England, that we must somehow soften. No.

We take power. We take it together.

Then we eradicate misogyny. We stop this growing inequality in its tracks. We change the world.

Placards in drizzle serve a purpose.

But to truly change things we must take power.

Do you want to change the world? Or are you happy with our current situation?

JJ get a clue phone. Women are more and more disillusioned with this man. He has put a tiny group's invasive interests in destroying half the population's rights. That's patriarchal and it's insane that you pretend that he is unaware of the vast threats to women's safety and our right to have female only sports teams. It is now getting to be a joke in our family to read the news--on a daily basis there are more and more males on girls sports' teams, males over representing the trans community in every way. You are treating Corbyn as a god, not a politician. And your OP stinks and it is quasi delusional. The right is not positioning anything here. Corbyn has made his bed let him toast in it.

"It is important to remember that only a Corbyn gov't will lift women out of poverty, build homes, invest in the economy, make tuition fees free and stop invading the Middle East." You should be a comedian.

I left Labour because of this and contributed to your campaign. Where is the democratic in democratic socialism, labour falls at the first hurdle. the first time labour is challenged to defend democratic values- epic fail.
Right-wingers-specifically Jordan Peterson -say socialism inevitably leads to the gulag. I'm beginning to believe it! Momentum appointing 16 male regional officials doesn't increase my confidence in the labour party. Without democracy and free speech the LP is dead to me.
But thank you Jennifer for fighting for our rights.

Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex, and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?

All the parties are the same, in theory. In practise, I don't think the SNP have given any women's officer's roles to trans women yet.

As far as I can tell every party has thrown women under the bus on this issue.

What are the other parties' stance on self-ID? Too late this evening for me to go doing any more googling :-)

I think it is right that Labour is being criticised for throwing women under the bus, seeing as it is the Labour Party. But there seems to be no similar criticism of the Tories, or Lib-Dems, or SNP, or Plaid Cymru, or UKIP..... Why? As far as I can see, all of the political parties are complicit in women's oppression, because they don't argue or act against it.

Anyway, good night!

Jesus Christ

It's 2am. Perhaps none of us are at our most coherent. Or it could be that, as a non-MNer, she misjudged the party politics on here and the strength of the arguments we've all already had over the years with WEP, Labour etc.
So many of us have been feeling disenfranchised for so long that we've all had to think about what party represents the lesser evil. That doesn't stop us seeing and discussing all their flaws.

@KateAdiesEarrings given I donated to her I'm damn well hoping it's not her tbh.

I'd expect a far more articulate, reasoned and rounded set of posts from someone I was hoping to present a coherent legal challenge (which I helped fund) than the crap I've seen on here.

Dont be so sure Darth...

The thing is, self-ID isn't purely a Labour party issue. This has an impact on every woman and girl, and it's really not just about do you/don't you support Corbyn or which party do you normally vote for. There are women at every point on the political spectrum who're worried about this.

If this actually is JJ then I'm worried about her and am hoping friends/family are looking out for her. If I started talking like that I'd hope someone would check in and make sure I was doing OK.

@LadyMcLadyCrisps

A pissing match with a schoolboy in all probability it is half term remember....

The fact you disagree with her about Corbyn doesn't mean it isn't Jennifer. In fact she just posted about MN on Twitter which I assume is in reference to this thread.

Oh blimey, can't' believe I wrote "gender realist" a few posts back. I meant totally the opposite - sex is real, gender is not. Let this be a lesson about posting and failing to read and consider what you have just written! Sorry!

Women are women.
Men are not women,
That is all.

Wtaf have I just read?

To be fair I should have twigged at "Comrades"

Hey ho - some interesting debate though and definitely a strong "momentum" against the Corbyship

@KateAdiesEarrings - yes IF this was JJ...

I strongly suspect it's not.

I don't think she looks a fool. I think she has done more than most to stand against self-id and I am grateful that she has taken a public stance on this. She has proven how important this issue is to her time and again, and at great personal cost.

Me too, Darth.

Dismissing women is a mistake, JJ.
You have failed to make an persuasive argument to women who have declared that women's rights is the hill they are prepared to die on.
Instead you tell us if we do not submit to this abuse we do not care about women. You look a fool now to the people I am sure you thought you could persuade when you wrote the specious title to this post.

It's all the parties. The Tories proposed self-id in the first place. Lib Dems have supported it. SNP and independence supporters are currently battling over it. WEP refuse to define a woman. Greens are fully supportive of non-men.
I'm not sure about Plaid Cymru because I can't vote for them anyway.