Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

Exactly that - this will be publicised beforehand.

Tabling motions will fail. They already hear us.
They have chosen to ignore us.

They are 100% certain that they can ignore us and that we won't withdraw support. They think we have no power.

The other thing that is important to remember here is that voter apathy, whether that be via spoiled ballots or just not turning up, has a much bigger electoral effect on Labour. Labour is the party most affected by low turnout.

And also to say there are more effective ways of making your voice heard i.e. through the parties by tabling motions etc.

You'll need a precise campaign beforehand or else your non-vote will be put down to a range of factors. That's all I'm saying.

materialist put it much more succinctly.

LEVERAGE.

lostmeagesago I truly don't know but will give it some thought and see if any strategies come up on these boards. I can't bear the thought of voting Tory, and I won't. But Corbyn needs to get the message that he needs to go. Somehow. Tactical voting is all I can think of, so that it's realised women can and will be heard

Flytipper you're completely missing the point.

This isn't about what happens to spoiled votes AFTER the election.

This is about the THREAT of lost votes to parties, and what they will do about it BEFORE an election.

It's about negotiation.

It's about not letting it get that far, broadcasting loudly that there are enough women who WILL spoil ballots - enough to SWING seats.

There are swing seats where a couple of hundred women will make the difference.

There are already thousands of women prepared to tactically withdraw their support for labour.

Labour needs to listen to us. We are the difference between them winning or losing and they know it. They just don't think we'll do it.

I will.

It's become bleeding obvious this morning that Labour have deployed paid political posters to try and undo some of the damage.

Can they pop back to HQ and tell JC we’d like a web chat? Thanks!

Olennas I'll agree to disagree.

Spoiled papers are counted yes, indeed. That is all. Spoiled ballots aren't sorted any further.

(can you imagine polling less than "none of the above" and penis drawings??) but that's it isn't it. If you spoil, your vote is lumped in with the penis drawings. How's that advancing a voice?

Drawing a box with the name NO ONE with a XX in it.

An organised campaign, is probably needed - because it also needs the publicity to go with it.

Don't spoil your ballot - no one reads it - no one publishes what you write on it - no message is transmitted. They just count up the spoiled papers and that's it

This isn't true.

You can choose to publicise your spoilt ballot paper like these Tweeters did in 2012

Papers which have something other than the X in the box are shown to the candidates at the count, and it is agreed whether the voter intended to cast a vote for a particular candidate (eg by putting a tick rather than a cross) or if the paper was intentionally spoiled (eg by drawing a large penis across it, as with many of the examples in the link ^^ )

Spoiled papers are counted, and although often low in individual constituencies can be interesting overall. In 2015 there were about 100k spoiled papers, and in Northern Ireland there were 8 constituencies where there were more spoiled papers than votes for one of the candidates (can you imagine polling less than "none of the above" and penis drawings??)

This website has some more details on how to spoil ballot papers in a meaningful way

You're talking to women who have a range of political views but who all agree that self-ID would be disastrous for us.

Ah, but he doesn't. He talks at women. The way his idol does.

Mistress - which party?

all thanks to

Somebody on one of these threads said that all spoilt ballot papers have to be read out loud.

Now that would get a message across.

Corbyn won't stand down while the Momentum faithful flatter his ego and tell him whatever he does/says is right by virtue of the sheer fact of him having done/said them. But he's not going to win any election either.

So we continue in the same stalemate. Momentum congratulating themselves on losing well, and no-one stopping to question how Labour can win well.

The answer is clearly getting rid of Corbyn. If Corbyn hadn't decided to support a load of anti-Semites, Labour would probably be in government now - Labour nearly took several seats in London with large Jewish populations. But the Jewish vote meant that Labour missed out on those seats.

The same will now happen with the female vote - except as women live in every single constituency, the effect will be less concentrated, but apparent in all marginal seats.

But I don't see Labour realising this or doing anything to oust JC who walks on water.

So the next election probably belongs, insanely, to the Tories. Who can fuck up from here to eternity, as they have no effective opposition. All things to Momentum clones like Make.

I now can't vote Labour. No way will I vote Tory. Why isn't tactical voting an option? All women voting for 1 party due to this issue would make government sit up and take notice no matter what the election outcome. Which would be Tory anyway as I don't sense Corbyn actually wants to be PM. He's likely ok in pseudo-opposition on a good salary.

Tactical voting and the reasons for it would certainly be a talking point.

I don't think women's votes being swallowed up by the Tories is a good thing. I want women to be heard but sorry, I can't vote for a party that decimates working classes, disabled, NHS, off the back of that.

It'd feel as if I'm aligning with those who have 1 agenda only, fuck everybody else they don't matter..

I will not be guilt tripped into voting Labour whilst they think women have penises.

TBH, I get the impression that JC dosent care about trans or women's rights... he sounded quite bored when asked about it.

Pls explain how Labour were swept away...a rump. At least it would provide a break in the monotony.

Make, what are you actually trying to achieve here?

You're talking to women who have a range of political views but who all agree that self-ID would be disastrous for us.

Who have seen their cause espoused by Janice Turner in the Times (who, please note, gave Maria Miller a thorough grilling over this issue) and James Kirkup in the Spectator, while the Guardian & the Independent have fallen over themselves to display misogyny.

Many of us have been getting progressively angrier over this issue since 2015 and before.

Having a go at us for rejecting "Corbyn uber alles" will not get you anywhere you want to be.

If this is the cross that St Jeremy wants to die on then so be it.

In all fairness aren't we all nailing ourselves to the cross now? Boris ain't worried.

If labour want my vote they can work for it. If this is the cross that St Jeremy wants to die on then so be it.

But what is this Tory class genocide?