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Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

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goodyzoe · 11/02/2018 01:42

"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point. Sad

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

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niceandtoasty · 18/02/2018 21:48

It would appear that it was Sisters Uncut, allies of the pro-woman-beating Action for Trans Health but now claiming that they are protesting against domestic violence Confused

www.thesun.co.uk/news/5607511/baftas-2018-angelina-jolie-red-carpet-ducks-times-up-theresa-protestors/

iBiscuit · 18/02/2018 21:46

Ridiculous and perverse.
I can imagine history and politics students' jaws dropping in years to come, when this whole sorry tale is relayed to them.

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 21:38

Did the group that stormed the BAFTAs have anything to do with the protesting in Edinburgh and London last week?

RealityHasALiberalBias · 18/02/2018 21:04

governess

It’s hardly a secret that Corbyn is a brexiteer. It’s ridiculous that we have a PM who is a remainer being shanghaied into a hard brexit, while the leader of the opposition is a leaver who therefore refuses to oppose this shambles, because he’s preparing for the glorious revolution.

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 21:01

I am so sad. So many people joined and ruined not only the Labour party, they spoilt many people a chance at improvement of their circumstances.

thebewilderness · 18/02/2018 21:00

Madigan decided that conversation therapy is conversion therapy and assembled the brigade to punish Davies for something he is not guilty of.
Did they think if they gave an abuser like Madigan power they would not abuse it?

busyboysmum · 18/02/2018 20:54

Horrified. What is happening to the Labour Party?

niceandtoasty · 18/02/2018 20:48

A Labour Party candidate shared a link to the Transgender Trend schools resource ( www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf )

Lily persuaded all their followers to go and 'rate' the local Labour Party as rubbish on Facebook and has produced a document criticising the candidate which is to be delivered to all the households in the area where this candidate is standing.

So not only is this Labour Party Women's Officer driving women out of the party (either directly through the witch hunt or through women just leaving in disgust), they are also openly canvassing to persuade people not to vote Labour.

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 20:42

Tory MRA plant?

busyboysmum · 18/02/2018 20:36

Just seen this on Twitter. What is going on?

Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party
TuftedLadyGrotto · 18/02/2018 15:13

Misogyny at the national policy forum this weekend. Not trans related, but labour party and women related.

Check out #npf on twitter.

Everyonematters · 18/02/2018 11:51

Only males can be transwomen which is how we know they are men.

thebewilderness has it.

governess · 18/02/2018 11:22

After all the mess of the Tories - and Labour are still behind in the polls... it beggars belief.

Corbyn is a secret Brexiter (he voted to not go into the EEC originally) and voted against nearly every EU bill ever since - I believe. If they voted in David Milliband - you would see a very different Labour party - rather than one which seems to be self radicalising week by week. Anyti Semitics, Momentum wanting to de-select, McDonell telling us he will be spending 250 billion extra over a 10 year period.

I fear Labour are going back to place where Militant Tendency wanted to take the Kinnock leadership

thebewilderness · 17/02/2018 21:38

Only males can be transwomen which is how we know they are men.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/02/2018 21:53

The "transwomen are women because they're women and that's how we know they're women because they say they are" comments are always funny. It's like arguing with a Scientologist.

Ereshkigal · 16/02/2018 21:51

There are a couple of "transwomen are women!" automatons in the comments. And a post by a transsexual male asking the media to stop using trans issues to make cheap points. While I sympathise, good luck with that on any issue!

hipsterfun · 16/02/2018 21:51

No one wants to be the first one to speak out and endure the pile on. Weathervanes. There are feminists in Labour starting to speak out on this, we just need to keep pushing.

So the Labour feminists and feminist allies (allies in the true sense, not the new TRA cis-allies-human-shield sense) need to speak out as one, loud and clear.

LizzieSiddal · 16/02/2018 21:43

That so Independant article is interesting as they’ve been fairly pro self ID, up until now.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/02/2018 21:19

If anyone wanted to work on peak transing Black the cotton ceiling crap would be the obvious place to start, but ultimately I'm guessing the problem is peer pressure if all her friends are very much in the "I ID as queer as in fuck you" camp.

AskBasil · 16/02/2018 19:40

God.

How very disappointing about Mhairi Black.

Her youth isn't an excuse.

My daughter's 15 and knows the transgender ideology is homophobic bollocks.

So do all her friends.

OvaHere · 16/02/2018 19:22

but I know my feminism now is very different to when I was young and didn't feel that being female had held me back in any meaningful way.

YY I think back to my 20s and I was so optimistic, a university graduate at the start of a promising career. I thought I could juggle work and family and that by the time I was in my 40s/50s with children grown I could focus fully on my career and would be able to soar until I retired.

Then in my late 20s I had a disabled child.

I struggled on for a few years but eventually had to leave the career type job. I tried to be freelance for a while but that became impossible with no childminder that could cope. I then worked a minimum wage 2 day a week job until 2 years ago when I lost that because of the amount of time I needed to take off.

So here I am in my 40s and potentially fucked if my husband ever left me. I struggle to see how I can ever get back on track.

All because biology. Sad

OlennasWimple · 16/02/2018 19:08

I'm trying to give M Black the benefit of the doubt because she is still young. I dont' mean to patronise her - she is an impressive and formidable politician - but I know my feminism now is very different to when I was young and didn't feel that being female had held me back in any meaningful way.

Botanistinhiding · 16/02/2018 17:22

It does depend a bit on what the tories do in terms of moderating their polices - there are plenty of friends/family that don’t like the leadership but have never not voted labour/lib dem.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 16/02/2018 17:14

Exactly this. I do think one possible explanation is that women are, as many on here, beginning to recognise that they are not the current Labour priority and also that the grass isn't much greener anywhere else.

Which will result in them not voting or spoiling papers.

Many people held noses and voted Labour last GE. Many won't do it again.

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