Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

Can I join in the discussion?

This has been about Tory v Labour. Is the LibDem party completely written off then? I haven't really looked at the LibDem's policy towards women but my local candidate in last year's election was a woman who seemed pretty reasonable (she got hammered by the Tory Xxxxx round here).

Would anyone else consider voting LibDem? I'm open to all views.

Is there any actual evidence that these are women who have dropped support? Does it have a male/female analysis?
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Labour won’t pay attention to these figures

For those who are running the party now (Momentum, Corbyn & McDonnell) it’s more important that Labour are what they consider the real Labour Party than being in power and being in a position to make changes than appeal to middle ground voters

Corbyn has always championed those HE sees as the underdog with a refusal to look at the bigger picture so he will do this with Trans issues what woman feel he won’t give a fuck about

The Tories will unite and sort themselves out by 2022 Brexit will continue to be a fuck up but it will be too late to do anything but hey the hard left still have control over the Labour Party and will still have crowds joining them at rallies so Corbyn and co will still be smugly in control of Labour

Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

The older I get the more cynical/reliant I get.

I’ve lived through enough Tory and Labour governments and to be honest, personally have been crapped on by both (as has the rest of the country).

I don’t see it as red vs blue anymore.

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It's certainly not good news for women, we're the ones who are most negatively affected by their austerity policies.

I know and understand this. But it's the difference between 5 years and forever, I'm afraid.

It would feel like spitting on the graves of my ancestors to vote Tory

And mine.

I'm hoping there's still time to turn Labour around before the next election, but not seeing much hope so far unless Corbyn changes his mind, given the weird culty devotion he inspires among a lot of people.

I'm glad I'm overseas right now and don't have to make the same decision, LangCleg. It would feel like spitting on the graves of my ancestors to vote Tory, but if the legal changes proposed in the GRA go through it could take generations to undo the damage.

This:

I don't want to vote for anyone else but I will if I have to. 5 more Tory years is a horrendous prospect but it's better than women's rights removed in perpetuity (I won't be voting Tory either unless they are specific about being anti self-ID).

But also the more political pressure is put on this issue by seeing that it will lose women’s and ordinary people’s votes, the more parties will be pressured to look at the issues and the more leverage for changing the position on ALL parties. Even Labour, despite their bungee jumping into self ID ahead of the law approach from Corbyn, have said they are working on policy wording as senior MPs are concerned about ensuring MRAs don’t take advantage.

It's good news for the tories, nothing else. It's certainly not good news for women, we're the ones who are most negatively affected by their austerity policies. It really pisses me off to see women here on mn saying they will vote for tories purely because of one issue (trans). Great for you if you belong to the lucky few who haven't been nearly destroyed by years of real term cuts. Not so great for anyone else. You may feel politically lost but please look at a wider range of policies before deciding who to support.

I will not vote for labour at the point purely because of the likes of Lily Madigan.

Women have been bullied into silence over this but the sheer beauty of the voting booth means we will have our true voice.

" However, the silver lining to this, is that my previously insipid brand of feminism has been radicalised". Yes! This 100 times over

I'm clinging on as a Labour member. But I've told my CLP very clearly that I won't be voting for them at the next election unless the position on self-ID changes. I've also written to the relevant shadow ministers to tell them the same thing.

I don't want to vote for anyone else but I will if I have to. 5 more Tory years is a horrendous prospect but it's better than women's rights removed in perpetuity (I won't be voting Tory either unless they are specific about being anti self-ID).

This is the worst, most painful political decision I've ever had to make in my life. But I won't change it. I will not vote for any party supporting self-ID.

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If Labour lose the election over this I'm going to be fucking furious. But how can any of us vote for them with Corbyn committed to reopening the GRA "reform"? Heads the TRAs and the assholes pushing austerity win, tails everyone else loses.

Surely labour will have to pay attention now?

Women are peak transing daily thanks in large part to the measured debate of gender critical women as well as the increasingly concerning behaviour and demands of the trans activists.

But, I don't think I could ever vote labour again. I thought they were a party with principles (naive I know). I expected other parties to go for the 'popular' vote...but labour!? At the very least I expected respectful engagement with concerned women, but all I have seen is virtue signaling and refusal to even acknowledge that there is a real issue here!

Don't get me started on the madigan thing and the group to expel women from the party...labour is allowing the sluring and demonisation of gender critical women who refuse to capitulate to a belief system!

This poll may spur an acknowledgement for women's concerns and hopefully an evidence based consultation will ensue...but for me, the damage has been done. I am so disappointed.

The complete dismisal of women and lack of critical engagement has demonstrated exactly the status of women in the UK. However, the silver lining to this, is that my previously insipid brand of feminism has been radicalised.

'If there was a GE this year I'd be torn between not voting at all or spoiling my vote. That is NOT who I want to be.'

Same here. It's all pretty sickening. Don't know if I could face voting Labour, but is it worth it to get the Tories out?

I agree that what Amber Rudd said last weekend was pretty encouraging

Half the brogressives are putting this down to Brexit! Morons. Of course, all the little women have suddenly got upset about Brexit in the last fortnight, just at the moment the party embroils itself in nastiness over self-ID.

Brogressives have the political acuity of a wet lettuce and the smugness of that kid with the helicopter mum everyone hated at school.

The Labour Party leaving figures are also likely the tip of the iceberg because Labour don't remove you from their membership list until you are six months in arrears with subs. So if you've left recently and all you did was cancel your direct debit, it'll take them a while to catch up.

Amber Rudd sounded fairly cautious about self-ID on the Andrew Marr show the other week.

I am one of those women that Labour have lost. It came on the back of my #PeakTrans moment when I finally realised I just couldn't do it any more. As a lifelong Labour supporter (courtesy of my lifelong Labour dad) the final straw was the AWS debacle.

I'm politically homeless now. If there was a GE this year I'd be torn between not voting at all or spoiling my vote. That is NOT who I want to be.

In other news, of all people, it seems Amber Rudd may be our best bet after her finishing remarks on the Marr show:

Andrew Marr:
"And what would you say to women, including many feminists, who look at what's happened in the Women's Aid situation, for instance, and are alarmed and worried about the possibility of people who are not yet biologically fully women being in charge of those spaces?"

Amber Rudd:
"Yes, well I mean I hear them, and I would say let's look and wait and see what happens with women's aid. Lets look at the review that they're having, and lets make sure we don't rush to judgement, but above all, the exception within the Equality Act for only women working in women's safe spaces will not be touched.

But who the hell do you defect to? All the political parties (including the sodding WEP FFS) are on the self-ID train

The Tories have at least paused for thought. It's a pity Justine Greening has gone, IME - she had started to backtrack from self-ID, a policy she inherited from Maria Miller in the first place.

I have never even contemplated voting Tory and am vehemently pro-Remain, but nothing is more important to me than women's rights. If the Tories maintain the pause on self-ID, I may have to hold my nose and vote - very reluctantly - for them.

For the first time in my life I have no clue who to vote for.

Exactly. Where is the party that give a shit about women?

*my dad

Community ownership of utilities is not left wing. It was the way it always was until Thatcher. I think even she thought privatisation of we water was a step too far. My 89 year old lifelong Tory voter agrees with labour on renationalisation.