Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

How does one go about starting a single issue party? So that people can spoil their ballots but still have it counted?

The Gender Critical party.

Annoying they can't be openly so as the main wep party line is shit. Suspect loads of older members are though

For those of us up in Scotland, the SNP are just as bad. Mindlessly pro self ID and determined to bulldoze on with it to show how much more progressive Scotland is.

The Greens up here also out of the question, led by the loathsome misogynist dudebro Patrick Harvie who recently compared a feminist who wrote to him on this to an Islamophobe or pro lifer.

My local wep branch is clearly gender critical (or at least it was, I have not checked in a while) and in an area that you would not expect it from. They didn't make a big song and dance about it but if you are gender critical, certain 'likes' and people they were following and certain stories that they weren't discussing it was quite obvious.

I really do think that all the parties are desperate for the young vote. They think the young are in support of self ID so have adopted it without thinking it through.
The conservatives have realised it will put their mostly older voters off so have started to backtrack.
The Lib Dems and Labour haven’t yet got there and Labour have gone so far down this road that there will be no backtracking. Which is why the Legal processing by Jennifer James is so important.

Anyone asked about their voting intention and concerned about self id should say they are not planning to vote. If enough women do it, then someone is going to start asking why.

Women can be united on this regardless of their political alignment.

This is where women should put an organised campaign called 'listen to women'.

With the polls so close both lab and the cons NEED womens votes.

*that they then need hormones

The WEP have never been about biological women. They supported violent male criminal Tara Hudson being moved to a women's prison & they've told Mumsnetters in the past that a woman is "anyone who identifies as one" & that we're nasty bigots if we think otherwise.

Every time they've been in here they've made themselves look worse. They might now have got the message & stopped trying.

really pisses me off to see women here on mn saying they will vote for tories purely because of one issue (trans). Great for you if you belong to the lucky few who haven't been nearly destroyed by years of real term cuts

I have been thank you actually. That said I'm not about to put my dd into a situation where she has no chance at female specific services or sports.

I am 100% against mermaids talking in schools and convincing my perfectly normal children that because they aren't parodies of action men or barbies that need hormones.

Oh damn, right. Anyone want to start a political party?

John McDonnell is on Peston this morning. People can tweet questions using #AskMcDonnell.

@cheekyandfreaky unfortunately the WEP have also drunk the Kool Aid and call women CIS. So no votes there either.

Would anyone else consider voting LibDem? I'm open to all views.

No. They're vehemently pro self-ID. And worse than Labour because Labour are currently acting without a vote from their own conference. LibDem policy is all already voted on, I believe.

Any vote I cast in the next election will lead to economic policies that last for five years. Brexit will be a done deal by the time it comes around. But any party with self-ID in its manifesto will be signing away women's rights in perpetuity.

I've been a Labour Party member for thirty years. I've knocked doors. I've phone banked. I've leafleted. I've shaken collecting tins. If anybody here thinks I'd decide to inflict five more years of Tory rule on working class women on a selfish whim, they are wrong. I don't make this decision lightly.

The Women's Equality Party are also self Id so those confused about voting on the basis of this issue are not going to find any answers there either.

I fucking hate the Labour party over this issue. I feel like I've been kicked in the stomach.

I can not sit back to let the Tories win another election. That would be actual suicide.

It's so tough. I can only hope this trend continues and it's clear that it's women bringing the party down and it's clear that it's the self-ID is driving this.

Big enough so they can't fob it off as Brexit (how'd they work that out ) or just a crap poll.

Then hope they will see the light.

I mean the fucking way they handled AWS "OK we'll have a Transgender shortlist then" AND keeping the self identified women's shortlist is fucking outrageous.

So -
Men now have THREE lists.
Open list (which we all know is sort of like a men only list right!)
Women only list
Trans list

No list for women only.

Transwomen have 2 lists.
Transmen have 1 list.
Any Equality to see here Labour party care to find it for me??

It's like the fucking Hampstead ponds.

Women only becomes unisex.

Men and self identified women get THREE ponds including a men only. (Seeing as most self ID women look just the same as men, they know full well they can pop over to the bigger better men's pond if they feel like it)
Women and genuine transexuals get 2, but no women only.

All in the name of EQUALITY.

Sorry a bit off topic but it's really ony mind this morning.

For those confused about voting, I have recently come across the Women’s Equality Party:
www.womensequality.org.uk

They are a single issue party like UKIP (I guess). Instead of a protest vote and spoiling your ballot, maybe voting for a party like this would send a signal to Westminster and MPs about the fact that we can as women vote alternatively. I understand for some it may feel like a wasted vote as I don’t think realistically a candidate will ever get in but several years ago if you had told me the referendum would happen and Brexit would be a thing I would’ve laughed you down. Just a thought.

Thanks Empress

Another Lib Dem voter here. I think we have more chance of being listened to in a smaller party without the entrench misogyny of Labour and Tory. And they have the right idea on Brexit too.

Yes please at least consider voting for lib dems. I don't know how any of us could choose to have another 5 years of the current mess on their conscience. Unless you really are a one issue person of course. Fair enough. Or you support tories for their many other magnificent policies. Again fair enough. At least you've considered other issues as well.

Working clicks link.

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

I think this wont result in women voting tory. They just wont vote.

Lds are also pro self id.

I need to have a good look at figures to see if its a stay at home effect or a defection effect though.

Corbyn is tone deaf to anything that not his pet project but others in Labour might get nervous if the trend continues.

For all the 'don't believe what the polls say' this is yougov who got their model spot on to the howls of other pollsters at the general election. And this isnt about an actual election this is about driving where the debate is going at the present time.

Lib Dems are pro self ID all the way.
They tweeted on the official page smugly
"We'd like to announce ALL women are welcome on our All Women Shortlists"
Make of that what you will.
They have supported TRAs in other ways too.

They didn’t bloody listen when we protested about following America into war in Iraq. The labour party was broken way back then.

Surely labour will have to pay attention now?

Why? They didn't when many left over anti-semitism which they are still doing nothing about.