Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

At th moment, none Y

But they will soon change their minds if we all object to this shit. Seriously, there is no bigger demographic

I honestly don't know enough about it, but intervention like that doesn't sit comfortably with me. Probably a discussion for another thread though.

But assigned, which party is that? From what I've understood they all support it?

We do need a new middle ground party. There’s many good Labour politicians who’ve had to remain silent over the past few years. I wish they’d stand up and start shouting or go and start a new party.

No the decision is to not vote for any party that support this pish.

51% of the population is an interesting demographic to piss off

Biscuit, sorry the Haringey locals who didn't want to be moved from their houses that were going to be developed. I believe they opposed to the scheme proposed.

So the choice is either to not vote or to vote tory? Neither of them are good options. Low income women have been disproportionately affected by the current mess, I cannot vote for a party that has imposed it on us. Not voting is not an option either. Spoiling a ballot imo is the same as not voting. Monster raving loony party? if we had a real democracy where every vote counts this would be so much easier.

Genuine question, btw. I can't understand why Momentum intervened this way in local politics.

Which locals, YTho?

I am a former member and am sad. It's finished. A new party for the women, Jews, soft left and centrists will emerge. Someone has to create it.

Leave the bully boys, conspiracy theorists and trans cult to it.

Forallthesaints, the Haringey council thing was locals opposing a housing development decision. Quite rightly so imo.

And at this point it needs to implode and the sooner the better. This mess is not electable.

It also makes it more likely that Corbyn's Labour becomes a very small, very inwardly focused, male only club that implodes.

Staying in the weak hope of 'changing things from the inside' is swapping deckchairs around on the Titanic. She's going down whatever you do at this point.

Labour has a democratic policy making structure. If you leave and encourage other women to do so before any policy has been decided (and Corbyn stating a position does not make it party policy), you are making it more likely that self id will become policy.

It's that supposed to inspire confidence?

That the party leader has stating that it is the "position of the party" when it isn't Party policy?

My hope is that if women fight this hard enough we will see the Labour party split, and with luck an actual sensible left and even better, a woman-led and Kool-Aid free party will emerge.

Doubt it. Momentum take over, bullying claims, anti semitism, Corbyn and Brexit has had no other party emerge. Can't see this would be any different.

Demanding that women either submit or git may not have been the Labour Party's wisest move when the women asked for a discussion on the effects of self ID.

The treatment of the former Haringey council leader may have lost Labour some votes among women too.

I'm seeing it all over Facebook today. Local Labour women leaving my CLP over self-ID. Many also citing Corbyn, Momentum and anti-Semitism.

It's properly happening.

Unless labour start to engage and listen to women on this issue I cannot vote for them. A good number of transexuals are speaking out about how ill thought out self Id is.

I look at where Canada and America are with the whole push of transcult and it really scares me. I want the Tories out, I want the brexit mess sorted. But ultimately I cannot vote against the interest and safety of my sex. I just can't.

Both my catholic Northern Ireland born grandparents died without ever having owned a property and therefore being able to vote (Grandad died in '67 so just missed it), it feels like such an insult to their memory to spoil my ballot .

Labour cannot and will not win the next election without women.

I feel like a motherless child politically right now.

and Theresa May is another woman under a bus

Absolutely. I've never voted Tory in my life but admire her for taking on such an obviously poisoned chalice.

Sorry but I think you are thinking of a different Labour party, that party doesn't exist anymore. Not just in terms of this issue but in terms of its make up. It makes me very sad but it doesn't make it any less true.

Ann Ruzylo tweeted this morning that she had heard that Labour will stick to the Law on AWS, so no self identification. She must be pretty certain to have gone public.

Labour has a democratic policy making structure. If you leave and encourage other women to do so before any policy has been decided (and Corbyn stating a position does not make it party policy), you are making it more likely that self id will become policy.

My hope is that if women fight this hard enough we will see the Labour party split, and with luck an actual sensible left and even better, a woman-led and Kool-Aid free party will emerge.

Here’s hoping.

and Theresa May is another woman under a bus, only allowed power because none of the powerful men were willing to take responsibility for the shit show of Brexit. The second that's done, those men will suddenly don their shining armour and step up to rescue the party from a 'bad leader' and dump the unpopularity on her.

Those little shits like Boris and Gove think we haven’t spotted this, but we have. I think their cowardice should render them permanently out of the running. TM wasn’t the one cheerleading Brexit in the run up to the referendum...