Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

They are young and naiive

No. They will never own a home nor retire.

We have damned them.

The last chapter in Nick Clegg's book about stopping Brexit gives a good outline about how to change party policy.

His summary:

• visit mp once a month
• attend local party meetings
• attend party conference and table motions (my highlight)
• write to JO
• if nec, walk away

If you would fight like the suffragettes for the vote, you should fight for this too. It's not good enough to sit back and expect others to just 'get it'. Men and other women might be throwing us under the bus, but we need to stand up and say no.

I think we should all send a link to this thread to our MP.
I have a daughter and I am so worried for her. But her generation are the momentum supporters. Not her, but many of her classmates think the current situation is a good thing. They are young and naiive. This is why I dont agree with lowering the voting age. I feel as if we are sleepwalking into a horrific travesty of a society.

It is utter patronising gaslighting bullshit to try to blame women for any of this.

Men trampling all over women's rights and whose fault is it?

Well, the fault of women of course.

Self-ID becomes policy in the Labour Party and whose fault is it? Individual female members because they didn't fight hard enough (despite having no input into the secret decision to approve it, and being bullied, harassed and suspended for even talking about it).

Fuck off with that.

If a gender critical leader is elected I will support them completly.

We are looking at Tory class genocide.

Our party is us

Not if you are Jewish, female or don't think JC is some sort of god, it isn't.

Many disabled women will at some point need both medical treatment and care of an intimate nature. If self ID goes through, how can those women who absolutely do not want to receive intimate treatment/care from a male person ensure that they don't get forced into that situation? They can't, because "woman" will mean "anyone who says they're a woman".

This is a threat to all of us. The more layers of the onion you peel off the more problems you'll find underneath. Rights for any given group depend on being able to clearly define who is and is not part of the group. Lose that and it's the first domino that knocks all the others down.

Jeremy corbyn was elected twice. Large margins

There are democratic processes

Change it!

Yeah that's what I was told right before I quit my CLP.

I am sick of being told it is down to me to fix it. Yet again women are told it's their own fault for not doing enough to stop the nasty men trampling over our rights.

I'm fucking sick of it. If there was a new suffragette movement started up over this I would join and give whatever time and money I could to ensure it's success.

Labour will benefit from no more of my free labour and time while they continue to shit on me, all the time telling me 'We'd treat you better if you just tried hard enough'.

OK. Who will be your chosen leader? Support her in a leadership bid.

Democracy.

I'm trying not to do this in Jennifer's thread since she honestly sounds like she needs an intervention from a loved one and some time away from social media, but I am really not fucking appreciating having this issue, which has an impact on the lives of all women, reduced to a struggle for power within the Labour party. This is not a about that. That's a symptom, not the cause. This is 100% a women's issue, and that means that all women deserve a say in what happens and we need to reach out across the usual political divides and help each other.

I am disabled, my daughter is disabled and if the Tories continue to backtrack on self ID I will vote for them next time.

Who are you to tell me that this issue isn't the biggest one. It will affect every single aspect of our lives. Every single woman will be impacted by this, and not just now, for the foreseeable future.

There is no other issue I will even be considering at the next election, it is that huge to me. I will vote whoever I feel will protect women. I believe this is far bigger than any party allegiances.

This is absolutely the hill I will politically die on.

If that isn't all a cacophony of ringing bells I don't know what is.

It really is. I can't get past the fact that this is a foundational struggle for the very existence of women, let alone women's rights. And my voting or my spoiling of ballot papers will be based on that fact.

OK, how about you make some actual, concrete suggestions as to how people can change it rather than repeating the same essentially content-free comments on multiple threads?

Jeremy corbyn was elected twice. Large margins.

There are democratic processes.

Change it!

Don't spoil your ballot - no one reads it - no one publishes what you write on it - no message is transmitted. They just count up the spoiled papers and that's it.

people have lost jobs, are being silenced, no platformed. People are being threatened with prosecution. There is talk of hate speech and hate crimes. Medical professionals are forming secret groups. Women are forming secret groups. Academics are being censored. People are being banned from media platforms, suspended from political parties. Science is being edited. Laws are changing

If that isn't all a cacophony of ringing bells I don't know what is

This

If it's a democratic party then how did Jennifer get kicked out? Don't get me wrong, I wish you were right, I'm just worried that you're not based on current evidence.

make it is not a Democratic Party. That's exactly why Jennifer James started a fundraiser for a legal challenge, Corbin unilaterally imposed self ID and men in AWS without taking it near conference. The party has ignored all questions and refused debate about it, and has suspended women for using their perfectly legal rights when they were not listened to. Committed Labour women who have worked for the party for years have been bullied out of their seats.

No, it's not democratic. No, women can't change anything from within. No, it's not 'our' party if you're female. I admire your loyalty but chanting hopeful slogans isn't going to fix this.

It is a democratic party!

Change it!

Fantastic post AskBasil.

YTho if you're still reading.
I remember when it was legal to pay women less than men for the same job.
I remember jobs being advertised for either men or women.
I remember girls being taught different subjects from boys.
I remember women openly and routinely being sacked for becoming pregnant.
I remember women having no maternity leave.

Pretty backward times you may think. But there was one right women did have then: the right to get together without men. Do you really think we would have won the rights we enjoy now if we hadn't been able to organise ourselves and take action? Do you think men would have just handed them over?

That's why I will spoil my ballot before I vote for a party that believes men have the right to decide they are women. Now if you're still around, I would really like to hear why why you think this is just about 'one issue'.

Our party hasn’t been us for some time now make, everything people have been saying - it was obvious what kind of politician Corbyn was for years but it’s becoming clearer and clearer. He doesn’t listen to dissent, he ignores it.

Corbyn, I don’t think the enthusiasm is infectious...

I’m angry that the Labour Party is such a poor choice that the disabled are being let down by a party that can’t win an election and doesn’t have well thought out policies or the ability to execute well.

who in Labour would stand up for women?

You. Me. We will stand up together.

We can make our party whatever we want it to be.

Our party is us.

I think the Labour Aparnaa ty’s position on the trans issue would be the same no matter who is in charge of the party. If the Lib Drme, Tories, Grrens and even the WEP FFS are all in with it who in Labour would stand up for women?

It's impossible to enforce anti-discrimination or human rights legislation for a group that can't be defined. Make woman mean "anyone who says they're a woman" and every other right we have vanishes with the stroke of a pen.

I've lived in a country where women are legally chattel before. I won't do it again without a fight.