Can you all just lay off trans people

There is a difference between sex and gender

Which is exactly what the threads you are complaining about are saying. Gender is a social construct, sex is biological fact.

Some spaces are separated by sex and need to remain so to protect vulnerable people.

Stop using the teeny possibility of a man pretending to be trans to invade women's spaces as a vehicle for your hatred and open your mind enough to at least try and understand the issue, because it might be your kid. It might be your dad. It might be your bff 4eva. If that were the case would you ostracise them from your life and declare them a fraud, or have a little empathy and try and support them through something potentially life changing

1. It is my child. She is gay, she does not want to fuck a transwomen, not because she is transphobic, she's actually dating a transman. She is attracted to the female sex.

2. Every transwoman I've read about wanting to serve their sentence in a woman's prison has been convicted of a violent or sexual crime, often against women.

Also 'women are more likely to perv than men are' (parapharasing) makes you sound like a MRA. Or TRA, I cannot tell the difference these days

well I agree with you on some points but youve also been pretty offensive here. There are very valid reasons some feminists are against the way some trans rights campaigners operate. Its not all about fear mongering over men using self id to perv on women. Its also about the voice of biological women being drowned out... and that is important because women with female biology need the language and organisation to be able to campaign for their rights. To some women it may seem like someone who has penis who wishes to prevent them from using the word woman to mean someone who has a vagina, is silencing their voice.

I do support trans rights and I have a trans friend and to me she is a woman even though she has a penis.
The issue I have is with the way some branches of trans activism infringes upon the very hard won rights of women who have completely female reproductive systems. Women have been controlled and oppressed due to their reproductive system and are still being in many ways, and so it is very important that they can talk about that.

Oh dear.

drops mic

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

That's the bestestestestest (and another est) bit of undeserved self-congratulation I've ever seen.

Thanks, OP, you've right cheered me up.

Gender is evolving all the time there are no definitive rules to being a man or a woman

Indeed.

I suspect most people on this board are well on your side with the “appearance is not the issue” stuff.

Do have a read and a think and come back with some points you’d like clarified.

I also see a lot of people on here ranting about trans people and they literally only care about transwomen. Genuinely, what has happend to you that you feel so threatened at the thought of someone with a penis being the same gender as you?

The focus is on transwomen as this forum is predominately female and the whole trans thing directly conflicts with womens rights, womens only spaces and the health and wellbeing of children.

I have no issue with any individual transsexual people. But the direction transactivists are going in directly affects me, and my gender non conforming child.

So no, I will not lay off, regardless of how lovely your trans friends are or how much someone tells me that this does not affect me and I am being 'hysterical' or whatever.

And a woman with PCOS is still a woman, unlike male people with penises. She can keep a beard if she choses to. Feminists are AGAINST gender stereotypes.

The point is OP that there are occasions where it is biological sex which matters, and gender is irrelevant e.g. Women's sport, intimate examinations of rape victims etc

However some trans people aren't content to recognise that their sex retains importance in some circumstances and demand to be treated in accordance with their indentified gender notwithstanding their sex. This is what is causing the problem.

not saying that any kid who says they want to should be able to willy nilly block their hormones, etc, btw

And that sentence there ^^ ? That makes you a transphobic bigot

I'll engage with you if you can actually demonstrate that you have correctly understood the gender critical position and can argue against that.

Your ignorance is astounding. Stop broadcasting it so loudly. Seriously, turn off your mic and go and read something about this.

takes mic from Barracker and gives it back to cjferg

Stick around OP, give yourself permission to think critically, talk to the women, and transwomen (and transman!) who post on this board. Discuss your ideas!

No one is hating people who suffer from gender dysphoria.

Everyone is worried about sex as a protected characteristic being removed which would nullify pretty much every bit of sexual equality legislation there is.

Do you understand that?

I'm not sure you understand what gender means

I don't want to take anyone's rights away from them or criticise them for living their way. I simply don't want my rights, or feelings as a woman to be completely disregarded by people who have not lived as a woman for as long as me. I don't know less about being a woman than transgender women and I can't cope with the loud transgender women group on twitter acting like I do.

I'm not sure you've read these boards properly if that's what you think.