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Can you all just lay off trans people

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cjferg · 10/02/2018 17:11

There is a difference between sex and gender. Some people's align, other people's don't. Some people are biologically female, and their gender doesn't match that and vies versa. Some people don't have a gender. Why do you care so much?

One of my best friends in school was biologically a female. When he 'came out' to me as trans and explained how he had never felt comfortable in his body all I thought (and anyone who knew him) was that I wasn't surprised and that it made a lot of sense and we all got on with our lives. This was about age 17 and he said he had known this since he was a kid (not saying that any kid who says they want to should be able to willy nilly block their hormones, etc, btw)
It wasn't just about 'presenting as a male'. He was actually a male in a female body.
Yes, when he started presenting as male he felt a lot better. I remember he didn't want to go to our prom because of all the dressing up, etc. until we suggested he wear a tux, and it was amazing to see him so comfortable.
But still he hated having tits and having to wear a binder (can be done safely if you get a proper binder and don't just use bandages or w/e so don't even start)
It wasn't enough to just stuff the front of the trousers.
I repeat, he was a man trapped in a woman's body. Not just a cross dressing woman, not just in an experimental phase.

I have another friend who is biologically a female but they don't have a gender. They are known as 'they' not 'he'or 'she' and knowing them you would in no way think that they are either male or female, again not just about looking a certain way.

I also see a lot of people on here ranting about trans people and they literally only care about transwomen. Genuinely, what has happend to you that you feel so threatened at the thought of someone with a penis being the same gender as you?

Stop ranting about how men are going to use it as an excuse to perv on your kid in a changing room. I'd bet quite a lot that more women will perv on your kid in a changing room than men pretending to be trans will.

Gender is evolving all the time there are no definitive rules to being a man or a woman.

For every thing that you think being a woman is, there will be a woman who disagrees with you.
You say that being a woman means having a uterus - does that make people who've had theirs removed for medical reasons not women?

If being a woman means the ability to have babies then does that mean infertile women aren't women?

If you think being a man is the ability to grow facial hair does that mean that men who can't aren't men?

I read about a woman who had poly cystic ovaries and had a luxurious, thick beard and moustache as a result. Does that mean she is a man or less of a woman? Or should she have continued to try and shave and wax it off and be ashamed of it rather than accept herself the way she was and rock the beard?

Seriously, we've come a long way from being a woman meaning you're your husband's property and having to squirt out babies and clean your whole life. Why are you so determined to go backwards?

Stop using the teeny possibility of a man pretending to be trans to invade women's spaces as a vehicle for your hatred and open your mind enough to at least try and understand the issue, because it might be your kid. It might be your dad. It might be your bff 4eva. If that were the case would you ostracise them from your life and declare them a fraud, or have a little empathy and try and support them through something potentially life changing.

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2018 18:23

Gotta laugh at bluntness suddenly turning into a fragile little flower

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 10/02/2018 18:22

pythagonal

Plus those things are really expensive

(Unless OP is using a toy one)

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 10/02/2018 18:22

Bluntness I'm sorry but the phrase from the op...
Genuinely, what has happend to you that you feel so threatened at the thought of someone with a penis being the same gender as you?

Totally deserved what I said, which was....
lso if you can't wrap your head around the reasons why women might not want penises in their safe spaces, you are very very fucking stupid.

Because its fucking true.

How ignorant must you be to not be able to see why women, having suffered so much abuse at the hands of men with penises, might not want to be forced to accept a penis in their space??

And as for the "women more likely to perv at kids than transwomen"
Considering that 98% of sexual offenders have a penis......that really is a fucking stupid, ignorant and downright offensive thing to say.

Why can't I call out stupid when that's what is being presented to me??

Why should I pretend that batshit nasty piece of lying propaganda deserves a polite answer??

LadyMcLadyCrisps · 10/02/2018 18:21

Bluntness, you have frequently
Offered your own very ‘robust’ responses on other threads, lets be honest. Never had you down as the fragile type! Confused

Pythagonal · 10/02/2018 18:18

Could we please stop dropping the mic? I'm worried that the mic might get hurt, and it makes us all look micphobic.

Grin
Terftastic · 10/02/2018 18:18

Bluntness, you're hardly one to hold back on posting what you think. I've seen you being very direct on threads.

This is women's legal rights we are fighting for - women's rights in law for sex discrimination could be erased by the trans agenda. Calling someone a fool for not realising that is what we're fighting for is pretty mild IMO.

Also goady fucker - for someone who has the arrogance to end their post "drops mic" like they've delivered a speech like Obama is fucking goady.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 10/02/2018 18:15

Someone said to me the other day 'it really depends how you define "change sex"'

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/02/2018 18:15

@Bluntness100
Did you see my post? I’ll repost the attached here. This is the type of person people on here object to. I have no issue with gender dysphoria as described in the op. I really don’t understand your comment.

Can you all just lay off trans people
Bluntness100 · 10/02/2018 18:14

For me calling someone an idiot, a fool, thick, a fucker, is abusive. Clearly some feel otherwise. Anyway I'm out. These threads are not for me, and it's because of the abuse whenever someone tries to present an opposing argument, that I don't get involved.

Branleuse · 10/02/2018 18:13

Im fine with trans people and have respect for not conforming to stupid gender stereotypes. However I think that the system of having someone living fully as a woman for a certain amount of time and being evaluated BEFORE being able to access services or shortlists created for women was an adequate system and protected women somewhat from people who wish to abuse the system and harm women. I do not believe that you can just decide you feel like a woman and then able to go into a womans prison, or refuges despite being a sexual offendor against women and children, or before competing in womens sports.
I do believe in gender dysphoria and have compassion for people who feel they are not presenting as the gender they identify with. That doesnt mean I think that there needs to be nobody questioning this, and it does not make me a fucking bigot

NauticalDisaster · 10/02/2018 18:13

TIMs are male, TIFs are female. Taking hormones, dressing in different clothes, and surgery will not change these facts. It may help ease the symptoms of gender dysphoria but changing sex is not possible.

The proposed changes with regards to self identification are dangerous to girls and women. No amount of gaslighting by TRAs and their allies will make me stop fighting against it.

terryleather · 10/02/2018 18:11

Yet another sanctimonious know-nothing coming on here to berate and lecture people who they appear to think have not considered any of their arguments and found them to be spurious shite.

To use the common parlance of our time educate yourself.

BakedBeans47 · 10/02/2018 18:10

I have another friend who is biologically a female but they don't have a gender. They are known as 'they' not 'he'or 'she' and knowing them you would in no way think that they are either male or female, again not just about looking a certain way.

This, I really don’t get. So if someone claims not to have a gender, what’s wrong with using pronouns corresponding to the person’s biological sex? We do it not just with people who “identify as a particular gender” but also we refer to females of non human species as “she”, also human female babies who won’t identify as a “gender” yet.

Lovesagin · 10/02/2018 18:09

Hang on, are we only allowed to be concerned about things we have directly experienced ourselves now? Shit. Oh well at least I can cancel my wateraid donation considering I've never been to Africa.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 10/02/2018 18:08

I agree with lana

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 10/02/2018 18:08

lang

Grin

For a minute i thought it might be DD, but then i realised that she wouldn't do a post like that

(Plus her spelling is nearly as bad as min)

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 10/02/2018 18:05

Bluntness the only abuse I can see is the downright lying gaslighting in the op.

When you say abuse, what you really mean is people asking questions, and trying to engage with the op, like the million fucking times before.

Debate IS NOT abuse.

Using my personal experiences of living as a woman with PCOS and GNC in their little rant....is fucking abusive.

They have no right to appropiate my life.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 10/02/2018 18:04

Most of whom will never even have seen a transgender person in a female only space, but will happily rant abusively on an online forum.

Except that some people here are trans, or have a relative who is trans, or is part of the LGB community so has mixed with trans people.

I've met two very nice transwomen. That's not much but I'd have been happy sharing a women's bathroom with them. Instinctively I didn't efel threatened by them. You're forgetting that there's been an honour system for years whereby transwomen have been using female restrooms.

The problem is that transwomen are demanding entry. They're saying that it's bigoted to say anything other than transwomen are women. So suddenly women are facing having no choice. This despite all sorts of evidence suggesting that this puts women at risk from predatory men.

It's been explained over and over and over and over on this board. I can't honestly see how anyone can fail to understand this point. Perhaps it's like taking an exam where you need to read the question twice, so you don't go off on one about any old subject. It's quite frustrating having to waste one's time explaining something that other women have spelled out 50 thousand other times.

Drops mic. Trips over it.

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 18:02

OP is a goady fucker. Just wants to put uppity women back in their box, for fighting for their rights in law, that are due to our biological sex.

Gender is meaningless. Feminists have fought against rigid gender lines for decades, and they're not going to stop now.

LangCleg · 10/02/2018 18:02

Anyone who ends their post with 'drops mic" has no interest in discussing

Yes, but on the upside I genuinely burst out laughing!

Does OP not realise that when you hope you have dropped your mic you're not supposed to big yourself up by saying so? You're supposed to wait for someone else to congratulate you by saying that you dropped it.

I'm ancient and even I know that.

Half-literate plopper the OP might well be, but I love them for mic drop.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 10/02/2018 18:01

Oh and I only wear mens clothes, never heels or dresses and I have PCOS which gives me quite a neat little moustache!

Don't you dare use women like me in your pile of steaming propaganda.

I am a fucking woman.

Anlaf · 10/02/2018 18:00

Bluntness if you see abuse, report the post. I see precious little on the FWR boards, certainly not by the regular posters.

If by abuse, you mean disagreement, then aye there might be some of that.

NotReadyToMove · 10/02/2018 18:00

mummyoflittledragons
That’s awful truly awful tbh....

Alisvolatpropiis · 10/02/2018 18:00

Cool story 👍🏻

whoputthecatout · 10/02/2018 18:00

There is a difference between sex and gender

Indeed OP. The problem is that you don't seem to understand what it is.

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