Transwoman BFs baby for 6 weeks

There’s something deeply suspect about men who on some deep level want to remove women from the reproductive and childbearing/nurturing process. It’s like they can’t stand the idea that this is a bit of power or capability they lack. So it needs either to be dismissed as trivial or in some way undesirable or (if it is still seen as an important function) it must be taken over/taken away from women.

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It’s crap isn’t it that women are alway put at the bottom of the list

It's just seriously fucked up!

This story has really upset me, for similar reasons to why women unable to get sterilised find it frustrating that TIFs are offered hysterectomies. I have Insufficent Glandular Tissue and struggled to breastfeed my children as my supply was so low. I was prescribed domperidone in a far higher dose than 30mg a day, and spent a fortune on herbs, but never got to the point where I could fully feed my children. I researched and researched, and my very lovely GP tried to get me referred to an endocrinologist but the NHS said nothing could be done. It took me years to even start resigning myself to it all and even now I feel ashamed of my useless inadequate breasts. I know I'm far from being the only woman in this situation. Why is so much effort being put into this and so little effort being made to help natal women in distress? Women who are designed to feed their children and would receive the health benefits of breastfeeding?

Linked to that thread: the medical research report.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/

A few parts had my eyebrows raised. Particularly

"Her surgical history was notable only for laparoscopic cholecystectomy. She had not had any gender-affirming surgeries such as breast augmentation, orchiectomy, or vaginoplasty.

On initial examination the patient was a pleasant, well nourished, well developed woman who appeared her stated age. Her breasts were noted to be Tanner stage V."

And

"Our patient continued to take spironolactone while breastfeeding for androgen blockade. A known metabolite of spironolactone, cancrenone is excreted in human milk. This has been shown to be 0.2% of the maternal daily dose, which is thought to be clinically insignificant.16 Spironolactone has been reported to have tumorigenic potential in rats, but according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, it is thought to be compatible with breastfeeding."

Aaaaaaand... Paris Lees thinks this is great news.

Absolutely no idea that the US has no medical ethics, there is no way this would be sanctioned by any NHS provider and, even if it was, would be a child protection issue that likely resulted in care proceedings.

These people cannot see anything beyond their own validation. Not even babies penetrate their lack of awareness that other human beings exist and have rights.

twitter.com/parislees/status/962731682100142080

DH's take on this story:

"Breaking News! Scientists discover drug to make dogs say quack!"

The link has expired; this is the lactmed link, just search for the drug.

toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/newtoxnet/lactmed.htm

@TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole

No, it's not. Just posting again. Lactmed is an excellent database of all medicines and their effects on breastfed infants, amounts in milk etc from published studies:

toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search2/f?./temp/~IlBuUp:1

I thought of a further disturbing element to the religious analogies. It's a fundamentalist approach - transactivists don't just want the right to believe what they believe, which would be fine. Nobody should get to tell someone else what to believe. The worrying part is that they won't rest until they force everyone around them to believe it too. And that's where it gets nasty.

Love the religious analogy

Mmmmhh it claims to be....

Anyone know if Transgender Health is a peer reviewed journal. I am struggling to see this as anything other than a hoax.

the FDA is reportedly still worried about the possible effects of domperidone on infants, since the drug is passed through breast milk.

The drug is illegal due to side effects and it is passed through the milk.

Is this correct? Is this a recent thing? 5 years back when I had my daughter, I really struggled to BF, after horrid advice by the hospital who told me my daughter would starve as I seemed to be producing no milk and she had not had a 'proper' feed for a day. I do know now that colostrum is more than enough for newborns, but at the time I listened to the 'professionals' and went onto bottles. A few weeks after this i changed my mind and did want to BF for sure but couldn;t produce any milk. I ended up seeing a lactation consultant who put me on vast quantities of domperidone to help me. No mention of side effects for the baby, it was apparently very safe as it was only an antiemetic so even if a tiny bit did get to her, its only anti-sickness medication so it may also help with her puking. Was what I was told. As it turned out, even with taking like 20 of these per day i could only produce 6oz a day so I gave up totally. But yeah, it was actually dangerous despite what I was told?

Its different completely when men are doing it though. the male body is not designed to breastfeed so surely, any produced milk will be useless?

This is horrific. Where are the studies that prove that it is safe to do this? (For all parties - particularly the baby, but what long term effect might these drugs have on a TIM?)

(Though I keep reading "domperidone" as "Dom Perignon". But, ironically enough, someone who was breastfeeding told the world about their daily champagne habit would no doubt have shouts of "child abuse" and "how dare they consume alcohol! Bad mother!")

I agree with others that the Domperidone is less worrying than the hormone therapy this man was taking in order to lactate. I actually find it hard to believe this is true, I suspect this baby will have been supplemented by either formula or breast milk from its mother
If not there could definitely be risks of hormones affecting the babies development...but then again maybe that’s the idea

Here's an article

here

I think that an interesting point here is why lactation would be reserved for TIMs, why not men who want to do it?

They say that biology is immaterial, but then with things like this I've seen it framed as, obviously a TIM will want to BF, it's a mother thing. Why wouldn't it be a father thing, if possible? Ethics aside I mean. They reinforce their sexist ideas at every turn while claiming it's others who are "bigoted".

"I had a new Dad tell me at a Postnatal visit that men could lactate and breastfeed their babies"

I have heard this before as well, before the trans stuff, I'll look it up.

Fact is though that women's breasts are there to do this, I started leaking when I was about 7 months with DD1, we were on hols and I woke up and the sheet was wet, I woke DH up as I was like, oh my god my waters have gone shit and then I thought no hold on maybe I wet myself in my sleep but it's too high up and doesn't smell right, and we were confused and a bit worried, and then I twigged. Of course no-one had told me that this was a possibility, at that point I thought the milk comes in after you've given birth... We know so little about our bodies around this, for lots of reasons, reasons which are not good.

Women BF are not "celebrated" in our culture, at all. Men BF will be though. Whole thing is just so grrrrr.

I mean, honestly. What more evidence do you need that these unhinged narcissists and their medical enablers are now posing a serious risk to children? If this doesn't do it, what the fuck will?

SAFEGUARDING. SAFEGUARDING. SAFEGUARDING.

I have often suspected that there are huge amounts of fantasy writing amongst this community. The screaming orgasms, the periods, the being able to get pregnant, the breastfeeding - it's just a "Letter to Santa" regarding what they wish to be true.

However, that doesn't undermine the level of harm that the indulgence in those fantasies could do to others - especially a baby.

the benefits of breastfeeding to both parent and child, from lower rates of breast cancer in women who breastfeed, to a stronger infant immune system, and stronger parent-child bonding, have been well documented. While every mother may not choose to breastfeed, there’s much to be said for making sure those who want to are physically able to do so.

... But no, we'll stop the mother breastfeeding so the delusional father can get his kicks.

I'm struggling to breathe at this altitude of peak trans...

Sophocles That is a brilliant list - it's so true, trans is a religion. A cult. And weirdly IME the same people who are normally athiest, super rational, looking at the science... are taken in by this cult.

I really hope this isn't real.

Just when I think I can't get any angrier I open yet a another thread that enrages me

I'm wondering if this is actually true? Is there a chance it could be an elaborate hoax kind of thing, along the lines of Madigan saying transwomen can get pregnant?

Maybe I'm just wishful thinking. Because it is horrific.

And the baby who has been experimented on? Barely a thought in this article and presumably the whole experiment. Not able to consent for themselves and stuck with parents who put their own desires before the needs of their child? Applied in many parenting scenarios and this behaviour would be indicative that these parents are unfit to look after the child?

Ethics are totally absent here. Can't be true. Am go smacked. If you wanted to do this surely you would produce the milk but not feed it untill copious safety tests had been done.