Was Greer Right When She Said Men Hate Women?

I also think I'm the only person on the thread who has used a man shouting "get your tits out" as an example. Which you have repeatedly ignored as being aimed at a child.

I find your implication that this is a female characteristic funny.

The consequences of male hierarchy are things like murder, war, slavery, subjugation of women, etc etc

But yeah let's ignore that.

I think if men dislike one another- they are likely to confrontational. If women don't like each other they form cliques and bitch

Up a bit late-
I wasn't talking about your example I was responding to something another poster said ffs.
And yes I do think women form hierarchies and assert dominance over each other and are cruel to one another- I don't see what you find so funny

Once again, the "get your tits out" was aimed at a CHILD. why are you repeatedly ignoring this?

Also am lolling at the idea that women are keen to form hierarchies, what like men don't, you mean? That's a joke, right?

I feel threatened by men and women in different ways-
I can shrug off men saying "get your tits out love" but some real emotional hurt has been caused by the women in my life

I think this affects how women treat other women, the need to develop bonds by bitching about a subordinate

Thanks Quentin!
I might post, one day, when there aren’t as many women hating people posting!!

I think some of it stems from being younger. I read a study that said female children are more likely to form social hierarchy and feel a need to pick on a subordinate even in friendship groups. I has experience of frenemies and I think it makes me assume that women can be untrustworthy, cruel and bitchy.

Missymoo100

Then that's your experience. I certainly haven't had that experience but even so it does not equate to women being as violent as men or the aim of the thread to discuss mens hatred of women. Women don't die because of other women.

I think sometimes women are set up to compete with each other, particularly in the workplace, Missymoo. And men are just fine with that

I like men and women on the whole. I don't have problems with either generally although most of my life, most of my friends have been male. My few close friends are female though, although I dont' really do "best friends". We're all different aren't we.

I've only met about 2 out and out nasty women in my life. I've never been violently attacked or sexually assaulted by one, or even felt threatened TBH.

Hope that makes sense... I mean I feel on the defensive,

I don't know how many women feel the same but I have to admit that I sometimes treat other women with caution because I presume they're against me, or will be bitch about me- until I figure out whether they're friendly or not. Like some kind of cautionary bias against other females, maybe down to experiences in the past.

Look at #metoo for evidence of the fact that women and girls put up and shut up, and internalise it all. Those women and girls have not "brushed" anything off, they have remembered it ALL.

"many women brush off the comment and don't report"

1. The example I gave was a child not a woman
2. Just because a woman (girl) doesn't report, doesn't mean she has "brushed it off". Many women never forget all this shit and it does something to their psyche, their sense of safety, their comfort when out and about in the world

Are you posting in good faith? If so, please can you explain why a girl has become a woman, and where the idea that women who don't report things have "brushed them off" comes from?

"upabit late- so what would you change about the law?
I suspect I this scenario many women brush off the comment and don't report. If it was reported would you expect to hear about any subsequent conviction- it isn't front page news material."

I would be amazed if a man in the UK has been charged convicted and sentenced for shouting "show us your tits" at a schoolgirl.

The change I would like to see is for crimes that are generally committed against women and girls by men (and boys - see girl guiding report) and are of a sexual nature but fall short of what is generally recognised by society (including the police courts etc) as "serious" to start being treated as serious. I want to live in a world where when a man shouts "show us your tits" at a schoolgirl, she knows that that is a crime, that she confidently tells family or police / her family confidently tell police, and they treat it with seriousness and her with respect, and the man who did it is pursued in line with how a man should be who makes sexual remarks to underage girls.

That would be a good start.

I read something that said in male dominated environments, women are well aware that they are in a precarious position, that there are limited number of opportunities for women, this results in them fighting to be the woman picked agianst other women. It made sense to me - it's a reaction to the circumstance and probably one many of them don't realise they're doing. If there are limited spaces for women, and women are well aware of this consciously or unconsciously, then their competition is other women, and men are the ones who can help them. You can see how this breeds toxic behaviour which is then put down to women's innate personality issues. This happens all the time - women are set up to fail (in whatever way) and then when it happens men point to it as evidence that women are inferior.

You can be in the gang bubblegum. Just stay and post

notready-
I definitely can relate to it that. I think some female supervisors feel they have something to prove and direct their authority at easy targets- other women.

Which also means the issue isn’t really with women being horrible to women in general, but with the system that is still refus8ng to see the way women ‘do business, manage People etc...’ as an ok way to do all those things rather than the ‘male way’ (often based much more in aggressive ways and confrontations rather than reaching compromise etc...)

it's not odd bitchy comment- some of my female supervisors have treated me terribly- I have more experience of this than male supervisors treating me unfairly at work.
Yep because women often think that the only way to be able to get promotions etc... is to act like a man.
And that includes being very unfair against women and treat them appallingly. Because their male counterparts, the ones that will decide of the promotion think that too.

I agree, there is nothing worse than a woman than climbed the ladder but being just as bad or even worse than their male counterparts.
The problem is, often they would never have arrived there if they hadn’t.

I’ve read the thread and come to the conclusion that Germaine Greer was correct.
Always impressed with the clever women on here, wish you were my gang.

I've had some legal training but no

Missy are you a police officer?