Was Greer Right When She Said Men Hate Women?

So man kills woman= mans fault
Woman kills man= mans fault

If women are killing men because they have been abused and snap, then are you saying that is their fault for letting themselves be abused?

Women choose to be in prison over coming out, because their partners or ex partners are so abusive. Being in prison is safer than being on the outside. Is that women's fault?

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/24/vulnerable-uk-women-prison-mental-health

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/apr/22/prison-women-trauma-stephanie-covington

Not answering the porn question? Huh.

Last message for a bit.

Men aren’t just indifferent to women but I’d suggest to everyone including other men. In fact I’d say more likely than not that if a man was being publicly violent towards a woman, most men if physically able would step in. Yet wouldn’t if the roles where reversed. There are some interesting social experiments showing this on YouTube although not conclusive.

ray what's your evidence that men don't hate women? Or at the very least are indifferent to their situation.
It's really hard when 2 women a week are killed by men, when 96% of men accused of rape get off, when sites like pornhub feature increasingly violent abuse of women as sexy, and when men generally comment on all this to support the status quo, argue not all men are like that, women do it too and men's lives are ruined, not to at the very least think most men couldn't give a shit.
I would love to see evidence to the contrary but all I see is men complaining their feelings are hurt when it's discussed.

So man kills woman= mans fault
Woman kills man= mans fault

A small amount of women kill men, are violent towards men, shall I deduct from that that ALL women hate men?

Don't most women who kill men do it because they have been abused and finally snap? Not many harass, stalk, torment and execute men for shits and giggles.

No.......

Ray is getting ready to go out and Rays wife is scowling in a violent manner.
I shall post later when I have more time.

Was just pondering the question you also dodged though.

If women where physically stronger than men, do you think the stats would mirror those of today. (I’m not excusing any violence btw).

But to say ALL men hate women, well that’s just pathetic

Bless you. You might want to watch that video I posted at the top.

Do you watch porn Ray? If you do, what proportion of porn on the sites you use have rapes, violence, unwanted anal, head-holding during blow jobs, deep-throating, gagging, strangulation, fake/deceit stuff and the word 'teen'? And contempt, lack of care, lack of attention to female pleasure and a lack of basic biological understanding?

Deeply unpleasant, thankfully short, time studying this told me all I need to know.

Hmm. See Ray has not answer the very specific question I asked i.e.. what does he think is behind male violence to women?

He simply deflected to NAMALT.

So Ray what IS behind male violence to women?

I often think of Greer's quote when I read about something particularly evil a man (or men) has inflicted on women or girls ( the recent reports about the poor woman who died after being raped with a carjack and the Oxfam abuse spring to mind).

Realistically though I don't think most men go through life hating women but I do think a good majority don't respect women as being equally human as themselves. Lack of respect can very easily turn to hate under the right conditions.

The internet and online porn has definitely exacerbated the above in the last decade or so.

I also think what the internet has done is made women very aware of how disrespected they are. Prior to sites like 4chan and reddit and prior to social media things that men say about women was largely not done in the company of women - think Trump's 'locker room talk'.

I get the impression many men now, especially the younger ones forget that women exist on the internet (I believe that's a bit of a meme in itself).

So when they are making rape jokes, discussing fapping off to stolen celebrity nudes or in the case of some TRA's talking about how they want to murder us and use our decapitated heads as sex toys they forget that we see them, we are listening - young women, older women, mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, girlfriends, grandmothers. We can all see them showing us who they really are.

RaySwan

It's not a minority of men......every scathing comment from a man about how a woman looks, acts is violence. Every man that assaults a woman or stands by without doing anything is violence. It's everywhere, you just don't want to see it.

Concept* there really should be an edit function.

A small amount of women kill men, are violent towards men, shall I deduct from that that ALL women hate men?

Would you listen even if I pointed out it’s a minority of men that do that.
What I’m maybe suggesting is that there are violent people, regardless of sex. Some have an advantage of causing more damage than others. If women where physically stronger than men do you think that the violent amongst you would be taking advantage of that?
But to say ALL men hate women, well that’s just pathetic.

Tell us Ray, what you think might be behind male violence towards women - the two women a week murdered by their partner or ex-partner for instance?

Good to know you lot think you’re levitating above the rest of humankind in this respect. It’s also an interesting consept that Greer (a female) knows what men think about women. Not just some men but all men.

Studies show that we all discriminate against women, don’t they?

Men have many many stories they tell one another down through the generations about women to justify their unjust behavior.
They still teach contempt for women in all the schools, if they still teach Aristotle, and in the churches they teach the 1st rule of misogyny: That women are responsible for what men do.
Men would have to stop killing us for a generation before they could give themselves a break from all their literature justifying killing us.

Adalind, I think there is a massive problem with men! I don't know what it is. They have become so aggressive and revolting

I honestly think that what we’re seeing is a new generation of young men (now in their twenties) whose brains are addled by the 24/7 availability of increasingly violent, misogynistic porn. And by online radicalisation through MRA and incel forums.

I found helping the enslaved women is the key. I spent several visits with a relative, refusing to engage with them if they recounted examples of how horrible women are. Every time they put women down, I ended the visit. I explained that they hate themselves as much as the woman they complain about. Eventually they stood up to a male relative, after I stood up to him, he put her down her whole life. He knows he is no longer in charge and we are all on a level field.

I didn’t use to think it was true, but the more I hear and read of the most hideous violence used against women, all across the world, the more convinced I am that Greer was right on the money. A shame that so many women are complicit in this hatred too.

Once you've victimised or exploited someone (or a class of someones) you have to hate them and blame them and dehumanise them, or how do you live with yourself?