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Was Greer Right When She Said Men Hate Women?

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LastGirlOnTheLeft · 09/02/2018 23:02

I have just skim read The Female Eunuch and like everyone else, the stand out line to me was that men hate us but we aren't aware of the extent, and neither are they!!

Do you think this is true?? My DH, my late father and my brother, all immensely like/d and love/d the women in their lives. I hate to think it is true, but if it is, I want to know! I want to know my enemy.

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SusanBunch · 11/02/2018 07:23

I thought that video was awful, a radical feminist wanting to do away with gender.
Radical feminism wanting to do away with motherhood and mothering, are we on Mumsnet or in the twilight zone.

Do away with socially constructed gender, yes. That doesn't mean doing away with love or caring, just reconfiguring it so that it isn't the job of women and doesn't work to their disadvantage.

SusanBunch · 11/02/2018 07:21

I guess one example of how men are able to love their wives and daughters yet express disdain for the rest of them is Brendan Cox. Hailed as a saint for raising his kids when his wife was murdered, it has now been revealed for the second time that he has been accused of being a disgusting sex pest who harasses women. The first lot of allegations seem to have been brushed under the carpet as at the time Jo Cox was not well known. I know they haven't been proven in a court, but people don't generally agree to leave their jobs in the face of spurious allegations.

Vitalogy · 11/02/2018 03:28

I thought that video was awful, a radical feminist wanting to do away with gender.
Radical feminism wanting to do away with motherhood and mothering, are we on Mumsnet or in the twilight zone. Confused

Traffig · 10/02/2018 23:57

Mary Beard's book is excellent, I bought it last week. You would like it I am sure.

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 23:56

My typing! First child not fist child obviously.

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 23:54

Thank you Olennas. I love Mary Beard too - so am interested in her book recommendation by Carrie too Smile

OlennasWimple · 10/02/2018 23:52

Terf - I've mentioned it before, so apologies if you already know, but the book "Game of Queens" is excellent if you are interested in women and power in the 16th century. It's by Sarah Gristwood

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 23:50

Interesting (and v sad) fact that not many people know - Catharine Parr survived Henry VIII and went on to remarry very quickly. She died in childbirth, giving birth to her fist child. So she didn't even outlive Henry for that long - such was the lot of women in those times.

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 23:47

Yes - divorced beheaded died divorced beheaded survived.

Quite frightening really - the very real threat to their lives the wives of Henry faced.

You were only protected if you a foreign dignitary - and killing you could damage diplomatic relations. Ann of Cleves was in great fear of her life - but she played it well - she placated Henry. How many women reading this can relate to that? We live with male violence against us. In Henry VIII's time and now.

Traffig · 10/02/2018 23:46

@TellsEveryoneRealFacts
One of the best videos I've seen. Thanks for posting. More please.

thenightsky · 10/02/2018 23:46

Fab video!

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/02/2018 23:36

It is very good, isnt it.

comfortandjoy · 10/02/2018 23:33

Thanks for posting the video tellseveryinefacts

I found it useful as I can't articulate my thoughts clearly . I have been known to think all those things ' but my man is so nice' but also when reading horrific crimes against women, or when coming up again misogyny that there's a bigger picture .

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 23:28

History clearly demonstrates that class men exploits class women.
History clearly demonstrates that class men hates class women else men would not have spent all of recorded history demonizing women to justify exploiting women.

CoolCarrie · 10/02/2018 23:27

I’m rather disappointed too! I wonder what his feelings are on divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived from Horrible Histories...

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 23:21

Well - I, for one, am disappointed Ray doesn't want a conversation about the Tudors with me.

Gwenhwyfar · 10/02/2018 23:18

I think it's true on some level, but I also think Greer has problems with her own father, which is where some of it comes from.

CoolCarrie · 10/02/2018 23:15

Ray, who is killing young black men? Other men

CoolCarrie · 10/02/2018 23:13

OP Read Professor Mary Beard’s book Women and Power, it’s excellent.

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 23:13

Ray, you are treading over the line now.

Lettucepray · 10/02/2018 23:12

Oh I see...because black men face discrimination then everything's all hunky dory for women....and I'm ignorant 😂😂

RaySwan · 10/02/2018 23:09

Oh poor lettuce you are all for equality as long as it’s your equality. I’ve never once said that men are victims at least sole victims.

Change your statement of stats to black men and then sit back and look at how ignorant you are.

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 23:08

Sorry - are you under the impression I'm going to argue with that Carrie? Do you think, for some reason, I don't think women are brave during wartime?

How many women have received the Victoria Cross? Go on - google it.

OlennasWimple · 10/02/2018 23:07

Outy - Greer doesn't say "all men hate all women". She says "Men [as a class] hate Women [as a class]"

Can you not see the difference?

CoolCarrie · 10/02/2018 23:05

By the way Terf, who drove the ambulances from the front lines in WW1. Who nursed very close to the front lines in WW1 ? Who parachuted behind enemy lines in WW2 ? Women did, and gave their lives.