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Quick query about gender dysphoria

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LostSight · 09/02/2018 15:00

Does anyone have a link to some evidence that some trans people are claiming that those who are trans do not necessarily suffer from gender dysphoria please? Currently having a discussion on twitter and the trans campaigner in question has just stated that trans people have it and therefore it is a medical condition.

No worries if nobody does. I’ve just seen it mentioned before and tried to search for evidence, but couldn’t come up with anything.

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Myunicornfliessideways · 09/02/2018 17:41

Google 'truscum'.

DropItLikeASquat · 09/02/2018 17:41

I am wanting to be educated so please don't shoot me down but if a trans woman wants to keep his/her penis then how are they considered to be a woman if they still have the working parts of a man? surely thats a dysphoric to want to keep your penis if you believe yourself to be a woman.

FusionChefGeoff · 09/02/2018 17:36

I think that's an excellent point re penises but is this a fact that has evidence behind it? Otherwise they could simply say 'no they dont'

TransHobbit · 09/02/2018 17:26

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nauticant · 09/02/2018 15:57

I share your frustration. Every time I've discussed this with people who have some knowledge but haven't thought this through properly, they say "but of course all transgender people have gender dysphoria!" They do not like to be told that this is not the case. In my experience, when I share evidence I either get denial, or a change of subject. And when there's a change of subject, soon enough they'll be back to arguing on the basis that all transgender people have gender dysphoria.

Here's what the bible of transgender says:

everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/not-all-trans-folks-dysphoria/

It is utter garbage but they are quite definite on this matter. Gender dysphoria isn't a requirement for someone to be transgender. Whether you can stomach giving them a click is another matter.

Personally, I think a transgender person without gender dysphoria is someone making a lifestyle choice.

SchrodingersFrilledLizard · 09/02/2018 15:36

I wouldn't define it as a medical condition as much as a mental illness / psychological condition.

LostSight · 09/02/2018 15:26

Thanks very much.

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Everyonematters · 09/02/2018 15:19

The swim England guidelines say that a cross-dresser may consider themselves trans. They also say that trans people should use the changing areas THEY prefer. If women or girls don't like it they need educated. They also say that transphobia includes fear of someone trans.

Hey presto, it's transphobic for a teenage or younger girl to feel fear if a cross-dresser with a penis who calls themselves trans is in the women's changing rooms with them. They clearly need re educated.

Everyonematters · 09/02/2018 15:13

If all trans people have diagnosed gender dysphoria then why would we need Self ID?

The definition of trans being used to argue for self-id is huge. It would include me and I do not in any way see myself as trans.

Have a look at Stonewall's definition of trans. www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms

Or the one used by swim England, which is basically the same.

Datun · 09/02/2018 15:09

There are certainly many transactions to claim you don't have to have it.

I'm not sure what the numbers after that though. It's just anecdotal, at the moment.

However a cross dressing fetish is also considered the basis for transgenderism. Whether or not you call that gender dysphoria.

I'm not sure if it would help, or hinder your argument. Because you could, conceivably, call a fetish dysphoric?

It's whether or not someone genuinely thinks you can just switch genders with no basis. Whether gender dysphoria is the only real basis, whether both gender dysphoria and AGP are each a legitimate basis.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/amp/