Quick query about gender dysphoria

TransHobbit

As you can probably tell, I disagree profoundly with the trans-ideology, for all the reasons I've stated.

But it makes me no less empathetic towards someone in your position.

I can't imagine how it feels to want to surgically alter your genitalia to that extent.

I can easily imagine wanting to change your body in other, less severe ways. (Whether or not I think that's a feminist choice, given all the numerous threads about it, I can understand it.)

But to be contemplating such a significant decision, must be incredibly difficult.

I really don't want to sound patronising or fake in any way, and this is entirely genuine, but I really wish I could help.

That's not meant to sound like an offer, I wouldn't be so presumptuous!

I just feel very conflicted about the turmoil that gender dysphoria produces. Which triggers empathy in me and, at exactly the same time, rage at the basis for the concept.

Thank you for your candour, though. It can't be easy.

I think that there are a subset of gender dysphoric people for whom taking the hormones of the opposite sex relieves their dysphoria

I thought I read that oestrogen was a mood enhancer? Plus just the routine and feeling that you're doing something (ie. placebo) would presumably have a huge effect.

Given the difference testosterone injections made to the mood and mental outlook of a male member of my family who was discovered to be very low testosterone, I would think that testosterone would do a fair bit for transmen too.

And that's all aside from it doing what they're taking it to do.

I’m a bit  about the APS figures, as I know several transmen who got bottom surgery in 2016, at least one of them in the States.

I know one person who is seriously considering it, having gone through all the other physical and social transitioning. Most people won't know any transpeople, let alone those doing complete physical transition. But doesn't that reflect our communities, and thus skew our perceptions?

Trans Activism and TRA ideology is the issue, not transgender people

And this.

I don't think for a second that a single one of them genuinely believes transwomen are women. In fact, I think the only people that even come close to that are, ridiculously, their female "cis-allies" who will just lap up whatever the 'poor men' say.

Men only take the TWaW line because it serves to undermine and dismantle women.

Personally, I think a transgender person without gender dysphoria is someone making a lifestyle choice.

This 100%

Some people don't feel they fit gender stereotypes really strongly. Change the stereotypes, don't cut up your body

This.

In my opinion, it's far more likely that the bulk of transwomen are now made up of fetishists who thoroughly enjoy their penis.

This. Very difficult to play with your breasts and stroke your cock through lacy silk knickers if you've had it cut off.

Trans Activism and TRA ideology is the issue, not transgender people. That's the line of separation. Most posts specifically talk about TRA.

If anyone tries NATRAALT I may blow a fuse.

Oh, I see. I think I was partly talking to myself. I find it easy to get cross about the worst of the transactivists behaviour and forget there are plenty of lovely transwomen who are speaking up at personal cost to themselves.

I feel very angry a lot of the time about all of the crazy going on. But I'm not sure that's always the most helpful mindset. And it also plays into some of the stereotypes people spin for people just starting to visit/read about it.

So that's why really.

Not All Trans Are Like That.
It is the complement to Not All Men Are Like That in any conversation women are having about male violence.

What is NATALT?

Why do you assume that women, men, and transpersons, who are in the midst of organizing to prevent more of women's rights being stripped from them need to be told NATALT? Everyonematters.

I think it's important to remember that there are genuine, decent people who are transwomen just trying to live their lives in difficult circumstances. And some of whom are as angry as us about some of the behaviour from and intentions of transactivists.

You can get the male surgery on the NHS. So I don't understand about money being prohibitive.

Not everyone has access to the NHS.

If the trans identified males had not spent so much time bleating about being the most oppressed people on the planet it would look as though they are trying to create a new class at the top of the hierarchy for themselves to occupy, wouldn't it.

No genital operations were performed on women seeking to transition.

There was an eye-opening thread on here recently, about this very thing.

It's not possible to create anything resembling a working penis.

To get an erection, the penis has to be pumped up by means of a saline solution and squeezing the new testicles in order to do it.

If any woman has this, I would imagine her gender dysphoria is off the bloody wall.

You can get the male surgery on the NHS. So I don't understand about money being prohibitive.

I totally understand it being a severe solution.

But, nonetheless, I would imagine that gender dysphoria would require a severe solution.

Certainly from the transwomen who post on here.

In my opinion, it's far more likely that the bulk of transwomen are now made up of fetishists who thoroughly enjoy their penis.

I think that there are a subset of gender dysphoric people for whom taking the hormones of the opposite sex relieves their dysphoria. In fact it is a sort of test - take the hormones,feel better = trans; take the hormones, don't feel better = not trans. Perhaps someone with direct experience might comment. This is perhaps the basis for defining transgenderism (transsexualism) as a somatic (biological) illness, that is properly treated with medication/ surgery.

I think that this subset is not the majority now. The majority have an identity difficulty, not gender dysphoria, which begs the question, what relevance are hormones and surgery?

I wouldn't go through the surgery no matter how dysphoric I felt - it's shit and doesn't work. But it just underlines to me how much this is a mental health issue. No one is born in the wrong body.

Some people don't feel they fit gender stereotypes really strongly. Change the stereotypes, don't cut up your body

I agree, Nauticant. I suspect also that there would be a higher take-up rate if the results were better.

surely thats a dysphoric to want to keep your penis if you believe yourself to be a woman.

To be compassionate about this, there will be people with gender dysphoria who don't have the money to pay for the sex reassignment surgery (not everyone can count on free treatment) or are more afraid of going through with it than with living with gender dysphoria.

My problem is that I suspect that the vast majority of "transgender people who make up 1% of the population of the UK" won't have gender dysphoria.

So that's 99.5% of trans people who had any kind of surgery at all who had no 'bottom' surgery. And that excludes those who don't have any surgery at all.

I suspect the 80% might be a bit on the low side

May 25, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — The American Society of Plastic Surgeons released its first-ever report tracking national statistics on transgender surgery, increasingly referred to as “gender confirmation surgeries,” that showed close to a 20 percent increase in 2016 over the previous year.

The ASPS, which represents 94 percent of all U.S. board-certified plastic surgeons, revealed that members of the organization performed 3,256 “transmasculine” and “transfeminine” surgeries last year.

Contrary to public perception, the number of genital operations transforming the male genitalia and reconstructing it into that of a female, or transforming the female genitalia and reconstructing it into that of a male, is miniscule. NBC News reported that only 15 of the more than 3,200 procedures in 2016, or about 0.5 percent, were genital operations, all of which were performed on men seeking to transition. No genital operations were performed on women seeking to transition.

Among male-to-female patients, the vast majority of procedures (92 percent) were breast operations. Seven percent were facial.

So there you go. Most people, despite their terrible gender dysphoria, just want their faces and boobs to read man/woman.