Once again, misogyny from transwomen...

Most transwomen don’t physically pass as women.

India Willoughby has some carefully taken and chosen photos in which she comes across as an above attractive woman.

The BBC Picture Editor consciously chooses to use these.

In 3D,listening to her speak, she is clearly trans.

Mainstream heterosexual men arent attracted. Mainstream attractive women aren’t attracted. All these handmaidens “liking” them online aren’t agreeing to sex with them.

They’ve bought into this idea that the world is at beautiful women’s feet (doubtful as it is) and think that if they get “access” then they’ll be this fantasy creature lusted after and adored by everyone.

Powerful men will fall at their feet (as lovely as the Roy Cropper character is I don’t think he’s what they are after)

But they often end up more on the fetishy/alternative side of sexuality. Which is fine, but they feel entitled to more, like taking hormones and putting on a frock should entitle them to completely move a few rungs up the social/attractiveness ladder ( and like a pp on another thread said the current “trans is cool” trend means they’re often the “novelty minority” social star, rather than having any meaningful connections)

I think that’s when the whole manipulative tendencies and victimy attitude and narcissistic rage kicks in? It’s like the Emperors New Clothes.

I'm ashamed to say the level of paranoia I have about sharing anything on social media and losing my job is high (nhs). Was very anxious about this when filling out the scotgov survey. It's ridiculous that I know this is not an irrational fear.

Ekphrasis I recently left the Guardian and took out a subscription for The Times... And as I read someone else say on here, I cannot believe I'm secretly hoping that the Daily Mail will help save us from lady dicks. Hell has definitely frozen over

We just have to keep plodding on, knowing science and reason is on our side. Which it really is. And they fuck up constantly. Andi, the wolf person (haven't a clue their name) etc.

I'm seeing the value of taking out a times subscription and writing to let them know why. And writing to let the Guardian know why I'm leaving them. This is how to let the editors know what we want to be written.

Keep letting tiny bits of info out to friends I know aren't yet aware in order to peak them. Support trans people who aren't like this (utter nutters).

I will leave twitter in a flash if needed and re reg.

Shakes Yikes, the images that conjures up are burning my retinas!

terry it was mainly the modelling of 'interesting' what I would call 90s klub wear (who remembers liberty x..) and 'im so shy, does look nice' to a chorus of 'omg hun totally gawjus/you are soooo hot/so jell of your legs' no actual female who posted got such validation!

As long as we keep raising the social media profile with well reasoned arguments - let them fly with their hate filled derangment as it is showing the masses how wrong it would be to allow these violent and abusive individuals access to womens spaces with no gatekeeping such as the grc

But that's it. All we've ever done is fight.
I've been so proud and humbled to watch and read about the history of women.

But then I think they fought so hard and yet here we are. Still fighting. Still seen as 'less than'.

Sorry to be such a downer. But I feel like I can be understood here. Whenever I mention it elsewhere I get told there's no issues anymore and get accused of being a crazy feminist

Shake I bet there wouldn't be so much fawning if they knew what an AGP would be doing with that kind of validation...

Don't be down hearted. They will never win. Truth will out. Women have fought harder battles than this x

Gushing not fishing! But there was LOTS of fishing for the gushing compliments!!

I used to be in a fb beauty group which i ended up leaving as it became a nightmare of handmaidenry fishing.

What is a maleg?? Is it a new gender?!?! I mean male.

I am.not really afraid we are being erased. My non-trans-malegs friends are way more enlightened than this shite.

He'll even my 76 year old gruff Yorkshireman father is more enlightened than this shitey binary nonsense. "Why are you shaving your legs?? Have you seen mine??!"

I hope you're right Datun.
I've just had my 2nd DD and I fear for their future.

Oh yuck. That is horrible.

I think though that we have a very social-media-literate young and dumb and like, radicallll, yeah minority who are dominating the debate and probably are not representative of most trans people, whether that is FtM or MtF.

Cross posted with you @Datun

I really really wish I could believe that. But I'm just so down trodden that I can't see it.

It's men using male privilege to beat and suppress women into silence and confirmatory.

You know. The same shit that's been happening for centuries.

We got to loud. To demanding and to strong. So they had to find a new way to win.
And bravo to them they've done it. Because from where I'm sitting they are winning.

Ollycat

The tide will turn, I promise. We may lose the battle, but we will win the war.

I think many of them have a real disconnect about their actual looks as well. This is the fault of women I am afraid who have told them how beautiful and hot they are on a daily basis.

The same feminists who will rant one minute about the beauty industry and how girls don't need to be pretty all the time will turn and tell a what is clearly a man that he is 'gawjus'. Check their photos on Facebook etc. It's so strange. It's so clear that they are being treated differently than actual females by their friends but they don't care

I can only say it here - and buried in a thread but I fear for the future and the world my daughter will grow up in. We are being erased ...

But the whole porn model thing just proves it's a sexual thing and nothing to do with them feeling like women.

They are not lesbians, they are straight men with a fetish who hate actual women who don't fit in with their fantasy.

The more I read, hear and see, the more I'm convinced these people aren't right in the head.

This is the separation of concept versus reality.

You can bang on about the concept all you like. The existence of feminising hormones, the internal identity, the inclusivity.

But it in reality, it's men's rights activism.

Don't look like a porn model? You're not a bloody woman.