The case against 'cis'

Cis means on the same side of (some kind of scientific language).

You will be told that if your inner identity correlates with your sex, you are cis.

And here is where the difference lies.

Trans people push the idea that gender is an internal soul/lady brain/essence.

Whereas feminists, gender critical people, and actually even medical websites, trans websites etc, will tell you it's a set of stereotypes, dictated by society.

There really is nowhere, including official trans websites, that supports the idea that gender is an internal soul. It's the way you feel, sure, but based on what you see as stereotypes.

So you can only be cis if you feel as though society's expectation of your sex is correct.

I do not agree that I should do all the housework, write the Christmas cards, be paid less, be objectified, available for sex on demand, etc.

That's the technical answer.

"No sorry, my inner perception of myself does not agree with the gender 'woman', because gender is socially constructed by society, and disadvantages me".

The other answer is I'm dammed if I'm going to be defined in relation to less than 1% of the male population.

I'm a woman. A adult human female. It's simply a biological description.

I am not going to be defined in relation to a man who thinks he's a woman.

Also, you could ask them to define gender. It's always quite interesting. Because they will say it's your inner feeling of whether you are a man or a woman. But ask them to describe that.

Ask them, without referring to biology, to tell you the top three things that makes them think they're woman/man. It's impossible to do without resorting to stereotypes.

Saying something like I feel nurturing, doesn't cut the mustard. Because many men feel nurturing, and plenty of women don't.

If fact it's quite an interesting thought experiment to do on oneself.

It's use certainly is worth questioning Seer - it seems its use by certain males who claim to identify as women want to put down the women they claim to want to be.

I was assigned a sex at birth, not a gender.

But gender is a social thing assigned to us based on our sex Trills. I am not a cis woman because I am not what people assign a woman to be.

I’m a woman because my sex is female. That’s it.

Oh I see my long post xposted with someone who does indeed believe that women don't know their own minds. A woman no less.

Awesome.

Trills when I was born the midwife sawI had female genitalia and not male genitalia and, I assume, said It's a girl!". She did not assign a gender to me, she told my mother my sex. I am therefore a woman and I do not need that identification to be qualified with "Cis" or "natal" or "biological".

If cis means aligned with masculinity / femininity then very few people are cis

It used to mean that but it changed as the above ^ was too easy to argue against given that it's hopelessly sexist.

So then it mean "your external body is aligned with your internal sense of your gender".

This is interesting as it's used in stonewall surveys etc but no-one has asked lots of non trans people if they have an internal sense of gender ID. Trans people clearly do, as it troubles them as it doesn't match . There was a thread on here some years ago saying "how do you know you're a woman" and out of maybe a couple hundred women who replied, only 1 said she had an internal sense of being a woman. the rest essentially said they feel like people, and only like a woman when something woman-specific happens (street harassment, periods, etc).

So there is an issue that the language has been created by people who have a certain feeling and they have assumed that everyone has this feeling. But, they don't.

The other possibility is that men have this feeling more often than women. I don't have any way of testing that but what I do know is most women don't have this feeling.

So how they get out of this one is by saying that women (and it is always women, men don't seem to have to engage with this stuff) are so comfortable with their cis that they don't even notice it ie women are a bit stupid and unaware and others (men) can reasonably explain to them how they really feel as men know better than women.

The second explanation also overlooks the very high numbers of girls and women who are deeply uncomfortable in their gender role, all the eating disorders, body dysphoria, self harm, mental health problems and on a lesser scale just discomfort with how we are supposed to be - the role we are supposed to fit is very restrictive for a lot of girls / women and the treatment we get from men especially sexual / street harassment stuff at the lower end starting when we are so young is very difficult for a lot of girls.

So all in all whatever you argue against they will move the goalposts.

Currently it means "a strongly held internal sense of gender" and if women say they don't have one and they feel like people and actually would rather not be treated "like a woman" thanks, then it just means they're a bit stupid.

I would expect those who insist on the use of certain pronouns to describe them, and are offended when others get it wrong, will equally understand my wish not to be called "cis woman" but simply woman, as that describes my sex.

I suspect that in 30 years people younger than us will look at this discussion the same way we look at people in the 80s and 90s saying "I'm not straight I'm just normal".

Being cis means being not trans.

It does not mean that you have to be a "girly girl" or go along with any gender stereotypes. It just means that you think the gender you were described as at birth is the right description of you. When you were born a midwife said "it's a girl" and you think they were right.

"But I don't feel like a woman, I just feel like me".
Me neither really.
If something fits, it doesn't feel like anything. It's only uncomfortable things that you can feel strongly enough to notice.

It's useful to have a word that mean not-trans.

If people are using it as an insult they are being twats, that doesn't mean it's not a useful word. If you go to the right bits of Twitter you can find people using "straight" as an insult too.

Someone explained to me that cis implies I agree with the gender roles assigned to me at birth. Which I don’t.

I’m sure some much more educated posters will be along to explain though!