Disgusted by all you transphobes - part two

That’s a shame. Thanks WitchIwasaWitch18

Very new to the whole issue, i have recently 'peaked' as i believe the term is! What i was hoping somebody could help me with is; all the current media hypes seem to be about self-Id'ing MTF trying to invade designated safe spaces for women. Are there any self-Id'ing FTM trying to even things out with designated bloke spaces??? Currently i get the impression that this is a back door attempt at allowing blokes legally into women spaces without any comebacks!

www.heather-brunskell-evans.co.uk/thoughts/public-statement-to-the-womens-equality-party/

I think this answers you CaveMum

There is the Women’s Equality Party, but I’m unaware of where they stand on the trans issue

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7963814.stm

Here you are. How to start the Spartacus party...

I really think that there would be support for a decent party for women. If I had the capital and time, I'd look into it (I have a son with special needs to care for, so cannot do it myself, but would support a Spartacus party!)

I would not be able to vote for a party that has a man as a Women's Officer, albeit in a local branch. No matter how he identifies, he is still a man.

I voted labour last time. No way on earth I'll give them my vote again until they have a major rethink on these issues. Bloody sanctimonious fools.

I hope so Lang and Datun and that the ripples will be felt in all political parties because there doesn't seem to be one that is really listening at the moment.

Interesting to see that Labour have taken a hit in the Polls that seems to be attributed to losing support amongst women.

There was also a recent report of 5,000 members leaving in a month. But this may be the tip of the iceberg because it takes Labour six months to cancel your membership if all you do is cancel your direct debit. Unless you write to them and resign as well, and ask them to remove your data, you'll still be on their membership list for a while.

I honestly think Labour are going to get a big shock when they eventually realise how many people are leaving and the size of the proportion who are women.

Oh there definitely needs to be more of a fall, but perhaps, just perhaps, this is the start. 🤞🏻

It needs to continue to fall before they listen though

It will. At the moment it is only a handful of women who understand the implications.

Wait till the general public all wake up.

It needs to continue to fall before they listen though CaveMum, there will no doubt be a plethora of excuses and double speak about it.

That is indeed interesting CaveMum.

Interesting to see that Labour have taken a hit in the Polls that seems to be attributed to losing support amongst women.

Now why could that be?

Maryz you are absolutely correct in what you say about Rat's quote, the two statements together are mutually exclusive, one cannot follow the other it is nonsensical.

Also this 'belief' mantra, does that require a belief in what everyone says they are? Therefore, Rachel Dlozeal is black, Steph-on-Knee is a six year old girl, how far does it go?

I've thought about the premise of women en-masse self-identifying as men, without making a single change to their physical appearance, and demanding access to male only places, I don't know if it would work but it might jolt some people out of their head in the sand thinking.

The recent President's Club debacle made me wonder - Peter Jones was there as a 'Captain of Industry' type if Deborah Meaden self-id as a man would she have been invited as she meets all the other criteria?

I wish somebody who is on that program with Piers Morgan, or Andrew Marr would start calling them cis men.

Oh cis men like you. Or when cis men say.

And when they look askance, just dismiss it with a well unless you are a woman who identifies as a man, you're a cis man. Silly.

Because I can't see many of these alpha males being content to be defined only in relation to women.

As an aside, if self-id does go through, I am wondering whether convents and seminaries will get some sort of exemption?

Most of those elite clubs don't just accept applications, though - existing members propose new members; the membership body then votes on them. Hence no breaking of the law.

This is an interesting article: www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/06/garrick-club-votes-to-continue-with-ban-on-women-members

The Hampstead Men's Pond though - surely that just requires biological women to turn up and self-identify as transmen for the gates to be breached? If it is run under the same trust and with the same rules as the Ladies' Pond?

quentin

fair point

And I want to start a petition against the primogeniture clause. If anyone good at wiring stuff pls pm me ! I am shit

Men's pool at Hampstead, men's loos, Eton, men's clubs & primogeniture. We need to self identify while maintaining feminine gender expression and invade in large numbers (or bring legal cases threatening invasion). That will put a stop to all this crap quick smart.

Let’s do it! Let’s start with that golf one, St Andrews

Perhaps women (with vaginas not penises) need to reclaim the word transphobic. To make it lose it’s power

I am nowhere near as clued-up as most people here but a recent thread made me realise I am transphobic by which I see "transphobia" to mean the strong aversion (fear and/or dislike of) a movement trying to rewrite common understanding of reality without scientific grounds, to silence a significant part of the population, and encourage children and very young adults to undergo irreversible surgery and sterilising hormone therapy.

There is also the bit about trying to force private sexual predilections in the mainstream public domain but I'm unclear whether that is a separate issue iyswim?

I am not fearful or disliking of transpeople (although admittedly I only have regular contact with one transwoman who is, indeed, lovely) but the Trans Movement is a different story for me. I am prepared to listen and to change my mind but, currently, I would accept being called transphobic to be honest.

rufus

It's pidgeons fault.....