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If you've only recently 'peaked'....

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CisMyArse · 07/02/2018 17:17

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

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Destinysdaughter · 13/02/2018 19:24

The term ‘trans lesbian’ makes me laugh. Isn’t that just heterosexual male?? Hmm

TheChampagneGalop · 13/02/2018 19:18

With, of course, otherwise known as a man.

Fekko · 13/02/2018 19:10

Is that a ‘with’ or ‘without penis’ person?

Freshlylaidterf · 13/02/2018 19:01

Ffs. Yep another peak for me. Awful man.

TheChampagneGalop · 13/02/2018 18:45

I just saw this on twitter. I peak a little more each time I see anything from TRAs.

If you've only recently 'peaked'....
Flightywoman · 12/02/2018 23:56

I've thought I've peaked and just when I've thought I can't peak any more something else comes along...

Ladydicks were a peak. HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU'RE A WOMAN IF YOU STILL HAVE A PENIS? I just don't...I mean...GAH!

But really, it's the reduction of womanhood to tits, long hair, dresses and make-up. Gender stereotypes are not sex and nor are they the identifiers of sex.

And cis. I'm not fucking cis. I'm a woman.

And I know I can say this to many friends or family because they'll hate me and call me a terf.

DeleteOrDecay · 12/02/2018 20:59

Lily Madigan being appointed labour women's officer, closely followed by transwomen being allowed to compete in women's sports.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 12/02/2018 20:40

'Twas ever thus sigh

thebewilderness · 12/02/2018 20:37

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

You will find this to be common whether the woman is the victim blamed for their own death or the woman who is blamed for not stopping the predatory male.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 12/02/2018 20:33

Tweet by Lily Maynard about the fact that the female Deputy Exec. has quit over the Oxfam scandal.

It’s astonishing. Everywhere I look in the media today, a woman is being blamed for the fact that a group of entitled hypocritical men repeatedly sexually exploited vulnerable women. A WOMAN IS BEING BLAMED BECAUSE MEN COULDN’T KEEP THEIR DICKS IN THEIR PANTS. & it’s just normal.

12:29 pm - 12 Feb 2018

Horridemma · 12/02/2018 17:11

Swim England's sinister re-education comment was my light bulb moment.

I am now bloody angry 😡

I have my pitch fork ready to put in my Ford Focus to defend my daughters' rights.

I hate politicians so much right now I could explode. Woe betide any canvasser with a penis who knocks on my door!

hyperspacebug · 12/02/2018 13:39

I was all 'I am too privileged, what do I know' and all 'let everyone be whoever they want'. Didn't question non-binary gender and trans stuff as it wasn't my place. Even the furore about transwoman wanting to be in womens prison, even though in prison for assault and still had ladydick. TRAs knew better than me what's best.

It was couple of years ago that my childrens' primary school did Diversity Week. Teaching kids same sex marriages and there was ' if you're not sure if you're a boy or a girl, there are people at school to help you. There are books and leaflets too'.

Thought that was a bit too much to fill my 7 year olds head with, easier him to figure it all as he had diverse enough friends anyway.

Trans on kids made me freak a bit out and reading poor parents writing about their autistic kids joining trans web cult and turning against their parents...it scared me.

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie being called TERF when she sounded reasonable about shared experience. No platforming #nodebate #transphobe etc. Transwomen are women, women are ciswomen was getting too far.

Now discussions here about GRA - I'm all in. Time to call naked emperor naked emperor!

boatyardblues · 10/02/2018 23:47

Namey - what an awful experience. Flowers Did you keep the message? Wondered if it would help with reporting a historic offence.

HeyRoly · 10/02/2018 23:43

Oh my god namey, I'm so sorry that happened to you. And I can't believe he had the GALL to message you and say he's not a rapist because he's now a lesbian. Fuck him and the boat he sailed in on.

NameyChangeyObviously · 10/02/2018 23:36

As per the name, not saying this publicly

In common with lots and lots of other women, was pressured into sex when I was over the age of consent but not by much. As in - wasn't expecting it, was only expecting him to stay over when he missed the train, then when it became apparent that's what he wanted and I said 'no' and he slapped my bum and said 'we're here now so we may as well.' I'd already said no, I knew I didn't want to, but I did the split-second decision between maintaining the no versus being attacked and went with submission. Thought nothing more of it, beyond blaming myself for "getting myself into a situation," for a decade.

Many years later he lives a very long away and messages me to say that I should know that "what happened between us before was now ok" because now he's a lesbian too. I'd not realised before that he had known perfectly well that he coerced me.

Fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off. He lost his right to call himself a woman when he coerced me into sex. Nothing like that to help you to a peak.

seafoodeatit · 10/02/2018 21:15

I'm not sure if it counts as recent but the changes to Olympic rules on athletes competing as women did it for me.

Undercoverswede · 10/02/2018 21:05

Like most here, I instinctively felt a ‘welcome to sisterhood’ thing with trans women. Never had even a glimmer of worry. Genuinely naive about the whole terf thing. But then came the US women’s march, when women were accused of being trans exclusive for carrying placards about protecting their reproductive rights, followed by people attaching a columnist writing earnestly about rape for being trans exclusive as there was an implication that male genitals violated female ones. That was my wtf moment. Reading a little more, I can certainly see the minefield. Some sharp and articulate trans women write superbly about it, so there should be latitude for intelligent debate. And there seems to be, as some suggest, a possibility that the trans right movement is hijacked by men with dodgy fetishes who have entirely different ideas of what ‘joining the sisterhood’ might be. Either way, I still fully support those who genuinely want to transition, but the whole self-ID things seems open to abuse... And, obviously, hands off hard-gained progress on reproductive rights and discussions that address the very real issues associated with sex-based abuse and violence. That’s a hill I’d be willing to die on.

NotAWhacktivist · 10/02/2018 20:36

I had forgotten some of these gems. I only became aware of this issue just over a year or so ago, through reading mumsnet.

I started off thinking it was great that a Caitlin Jenner won woman of the year, as I thought this would help transsexual people. I thought people were being transphobic here initially Blush but then I read more and realised they actually were making some valid points that were based on rational concerns.

I was shocked to realise that transgender was a much broader category than transexual of old, and that most of them would not have genital surgery, and did not have gender dysphoria as I understood it. When I heard about self-identification in law I thought it was madness.

It took me a few months of reading on here, and reading articles people linked to, and looking at You Tube videos such as Magdalen Berns, to really hit peak trans. Now I feel I hit it again and again as every day seems to bring forth some new idiocy to challenge.

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 19:20

"Has anyone noticed that transwomen make the news for success in business, sport, the arts and politics, while transmen make the news for having babies?" anon
The Feminazgûl

rubybleu · 10/02/2018 19:05

mobile.twitter.com/PippaBunce/status/913098958808993794/photo/1

Pippa Bunce. As a fee earner working in financial services, the sector with the worst gender pay gap, I now have to not only wonder if the guys are being paid more for the same job, but also toe the line and openly celebrate someone bringing their sexual fetish into the work place, and proclaim a part time transsexual as an “inspirational business woman”! You can’t make this stuff up.

ChattyLion · 10/02/2018 18:26

HeyRoly
Just read only the first of those Guardian articles you linked to. What a load of fucking irresponsible, insulting to women, complacent shit. And these writers call themselves feminists? I am horrified. I want to pick it apart on here but honestly it’s too depressing to read it again. Sad The Guardian has become its own idiotic echo chamber.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/08/self-certified-trans-women-all-women-shortlists-labour

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 10/02/2018 18:16

I think it was because the reporting of the incident made out that it was Rose ranting at a Transgender person and being Transphobic then you watch the video and it’s so clearly not. Then you find out the reason that Andi was there was because of Rose pointing out the obvious that Women and Transwomen have different life experiences, and then to top it off Andi is quite a disturbing individual and an abuser. Yet people and supporters of Andi acted like Andi was in the right and Andi shouldn’t be judged for her shitty horrible behaviour but Rose who only pointed an obvious fact should be raked through the hot coals.

I think most people didn’t realise that this is the mindset of that the TRA community. The TRA supporters of Andi should have been smart and chucked that predator under the bus and try and separate themselves from Andi.

NotTerfNorCis · 10/02/2018 18:00

Peaktrans is definitely accelerating. I used to read a Reddit board called Peak Trans VI. Two months ago it was getting a new peaktranser every day or two. I just checked again. Seems it has 2 or 3 new people a day now. The Rose McGowan thing tipped a lot of people over.

StarsAndWater · 10/02/2018 17:02

Also Rose McGowan for me.
It was seeing a rape survivor get heckled on stage while she was talking about her assault.
And then seeing how the media reported it. Same with her timeline. The abuse aimed at her wasn't just a couple of trolls, it was almost all the tweets about her.
She lost her temper with someone who aggressively harassed her and was almost uniformly portrayed as being in the wrong, transphobic and mentally unstable.
And even when Andi Dier was shown to be a sexual predator, people were still saying Rose was in the wrong.
It was very, very obvious that the rape and sexual assault of women and young girls just wasn't a big deal for them.

The cherry on top was finding out that the reason Rose was branded transphobic was for daring to say that girls grow breasts and get periods during puberty and transwomen don't.

That was the start. Now I've fallen down a fucking rabbit hole.

IfNot · 10/02/2018 15:23

My DP thinks I have gone nuts..he just gives me the side eye when I tell him YET ANOTHER thing that is giving me the rage (Hampstead Ponds is the latest). He just thinks, well how many transexxuals are there, really? Its a non-issue.
He just doesn't believe me, or he thinks I have got the wrong end of the stick.(And because it won't affect him, and because I am a fiery battleaxe and he thinks I don't need protection he is not interested to find out more.)
Gah!
I did have a conversation with a close female friend about it recently though. She works in the public sector, so has to be circumspect, but she has definitely been on here, and she was on side (Thank God).
Her husband said "I don't know why you are both being so mean about trans people"..so we told him, until he begged for mercy Grin

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