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If you've only recently 'peaked'....

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CisMyArse · 07/02/2018 17:17

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

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Terfragette · 14/02/2018 17:41

I JUST PEAKED AGAIN!!!!!

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victim-vile-bondage-paedophile-tells-8608834

KittiesInsane · 14/02/2018 17:03

I think mine was finding that my children didn't dare discuss it.

The younger one told me that it was a good thing that these days we KNOW that there are over 70 genders so people can be out about it, then retreated into 'You wouldn't understand and I'm really shocked that you are so intolerant' when I asked him what on earth qualified as 70 different genders, and whether old people like me got to have one.

The oldest (a propos of males on his uni women's sports team) muttered shiftily, 'Look, in some ways I kind of... agree with you that, well, maybe, um, well, it's complicated and I'd be slaughtered if I even talked about it in college.'

I tried to ask them where their information came from and what it is that they daren't say, but I just get wild-eyed looks as if the Stazi are listening in.

Terfragette · 14/02/2018 16:54

smithsinarazz sums up how I feel, too.

My peaks were

Speakers' Corner
Tsunami of abuse directed at feminists
Madigan election
Jo Cox Award
ASW
Being labelled a transphobic terf for asking what's going on
Female Penis
Sports

YourVagesty · 14/02/2018 15:38

brilliant post smithsinarazz

HeavenOrSpace · 14/02/2018 14:15

I started questioning it all a few years ago, again it was MN where I first saw an alternative view being discussed and I started thinking 'hang on a minute'. I think it was the idea of a 'female penis' that finally did it, and how we were now supposed to accept this as an alternative fact. Then down the autogynephilia rabbit hole which really opened my eyes. If I wasn't already done the final straw was finding out about packers for little girls to put in their underwear Sad

smithsinarazz · 14/02/2018 14:04

Sitting in a room with a lot of loud-voiced, sweary men who wouldn't let me get a word in edgeways, one of whom was wearing a dress.
I used to be straightforwardly lefty-liberal about the trans issue - insofar as I thought it was any of my business. I don't have licensing rights over women's clothes or female names, so I didn't see why I should object to anyone using them.
Then I thought "It does raise some interesting questions about what, exactly, we mean by gender."
Then things like "TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN" started popping up online and anyone who demurred was told "DIE TERF SCUM". And it began to look to me rather like a lot of people-with-XY-chromosomes saying to a lot of people-with-XX-chromosomes, "Shut up, woman, you don't know what you're talking about" - with regard to the very definition of womanhood.
There are characteristics, I think, that naturally correlate with femaleness, besides the possession of female reproductive organs. But they aren't the things that the TIMs espouse - the baby-doll dresses and layers of slap, which are culturally-transmitted. Women are more likely to have relationships with men, less likely to commit violent crime, less likely to take unnecessary risks, except in the context of having relationships with men. (Of course all these characteristics are exaggerated by socialisation.)
In general, we are less likely to wade through slaughter to a throne, and more likely to be the ones waded through, if a patriarchal society says that wading and slaughter are the way to get ahead.
Trans ideology defines femaleness entirely on the basis of some vague "feeling" which need not be defined; and therefore it denies that the patriarchy discriminates against women, because trans women don't have the physical or psychological characteristics that lead women to be steamrollered.

OvaHere · 14/02/2018 14:03

Lets add Hannah Mouncey to the list of peak trans. Edging women's sport further into extinction.

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SunsetBeetch · 14/02/2018 13:58

There is some excellent trolling of th #FreeTheSheWolf hashtag on twitter going on. Might help some more people Peak?

(It's TRAs hashtag in support of the Speakers Corner thug.)

TheDowagerCuntess · 14/02/2018 08:03

I mean, way to prove you couldn't be more of a man. 🙄

TheDowagerCuntess · 14/02/2018 08:01

Laurel (read: Gavin) Hubbard, who's just a big ol' man, lifting weights with all the women because he can't compete with the men and needs to cheat.

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SusanBunch · 14/02/2018 07:53

This was my peak trans moment. Apologies if it has already been posted- I didn't have time to read through all the posts.

LeslieKnopefan · 14/02/2018 07:36

A build up really. So first it was the toilet issue but as it isn’t something that bothered me (I’ve used men’s loos a lot when there are long lines!) but then it all escalated.

Reading this group made me see how many grey areas by simply saying trans women are women.

My real peak was when the NZ weightlifter won and no one seemed to have an issue with it. Getting adult women into sport is a passion of mine and I just saw the damage this would do.

fishdogpancakes · 14/02/2018 00:26

rules I've been giving this some thought as I am like you. Not really up for the confrontational heckling and public speaking.

Some ideas;

Art. Draw/make posters and share them where ever you can without breaking laws
Humour. Spread jokes about it. Laugh at them.
Write about it - to your MP, your local parties, your local papers, Womans Hour , Radio 4 ...where ever you can think of.
Go to womens place meetings.
Read and read some more. Information and knowledge gives you power to defend your position.
Share some of the ludicrous sporting photos. They have more impact than you'd credit.

SunsetBeetch · 13/02/2018 21:10

This made me laugh on twitter.

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RideOn · 13/02/2018 20:56

Rose Magowan being horribly heckled whilst talking about her experiences of sexual abuse. Then having to cancel appearances.

ruleshelpcontrolthefun · 13/02/2018 20:51

This thread really. I've never not been a feminist but I've also never been outspokenly feminist either. I'm not particulatly articulate and I shy away from debating in general but I don't like what I am reading and I don't know what to do. How do women like me do something? How do we stand up for ourselves when faced with rehearsed lines and aggression? My legs just go to jelly but I want to be stronger and louder.

Fekko · 13/02/2018 20:21

First dog was also female. Not sure about the moneky.

fishdogpancakes · 13/02/2018 19:55

You are correct. I meant first British person. Multi tasking. Forgive me

thehumanion.com/DrHelenSharmanFirstBritishWomanInSpace.jpg

FairfaxAikman · 13/02/2018 19:53

@fishdogpancakes I don't think that's correct that a woman was the first person in space, was it? Surely that's Yuri Gagarin (I only know as a place near my home town has a Gagarin Way)

fishdogpancakes · 13/02/2018 19:47

TransLesbian is a man who can't get a girlfriend so he pretends to be a Lesbian because he thinks he can gaslight them into believing he's just an overgrown girl with a ladydick.

littlebillie · 13/02/2018 19:42

Cis 🙄 and hearing about a "trans" voice describing how women think about men it was something about a "man eye fucking her on an escalator"

I don't know any women who thinks like this and well yet again we have a mans definition 🙄🤬

SunsetBeetch · 13/02/2018 19:38

Probably Danielle 'suck my lady dick' Muscato (sp?). I thought this cannot be real!

BUT. I kept burying it and burying it, trying so hard not to be 'bigoted', frightened about people thinking I was a TERF and that I would upset trans people.

So it's kept building up for me, as I've been coming on mumsnet.

THEN I witnessed the Rose McGowen Andi Whateverwhocares thing as it was unfolding on twitter and it was like a big slap in the face. I could not BELIEVE that it was Rose was copping the flack and being painted as having a meltdown and all these people were telling her she should have shut up and listened. It got worse when the Women's March tweeted that fucking article with Andi. I was fucking RAGING. And this was before I found out that Andi was a pervert, paedophile sex offender.

(Incidentally, the handmaidens as you call them are STILL at it: chiding people for 'misgendering' the sex offender! Jesus wept!)

fishdogpancakes · 13/02/2018 19:38

I'm peaking so much I think I've launched myself past Pluto.

And how many of us think Tim Peaky face was first man up there waving from Space? He was. But the first PERSON was a woman. Now how many can name her?

Fekko · 13/02/2018 19:28

So a mysoginist then? Ho hum what’s new (apart from dressing it up in a frock and a ikkle girly pout?).

I was pondering - I wonder if women who say ‘do you know what? I’m a man, always felt like one, so I am one, call me Bernard’ get as much bending over backwards to accommodate them as a bloke saying ‘my name’s Doris and if you don’t call me Miss Flamingo I’m gonna knock your teeth out, mother’.

thebewilderness · 13/02/2018 19:27

"Are women starting to notice that transwomen make the news for success in business, sport, the arts and politics, while transmen make the news for having babies?" The Feminazgûl

I think perhaps we are, yes.

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