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If you've only recently 'peaked'....

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CisMyArse · 07/02/2018 17:17

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

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LangCleg · 16/02/2018 12:37

I had this realisation that women will be deliberately booking an appointment with a female GP for gynae/sexual/sensitive matters, and will be treated by, essentially, a man in a dress and lippy.

I also feel really strongly about this. On a personal level, I've got no problems with male HCPs doing intimate examinations but I have no trauma. I have taken to requesting same sex HCPs for anything intimate now, if only to make the point that I can and should be able to. I think if we all did that, the NHS would have to take notice.

OldmanOfTheWeb · 16/02/2018 12:34

Hugely ignorant question here but can someone explain to me what peaked means ?

It's a reference to the term "Peak Trans" which is going around. It's a play on the term "Peak oil" and means that moment when something happens that is the summit of trans nonsense, the event that makes you re-think your position as accepting trans advocacy without examination.

OvaHere · 16/02/2018 12:31

It's when you think you've reached the pinnacle of absurdity (though you often later find out there is still a yet higher peak lurking in the clouds)

swanmills · 16/02/2018 12:29

Hugely ignorant question here but can someone explain to me what peaked means ?

Emerencealwayshopeful · 16/02/2018 12:10

Menstruators and chestfeeding and birthing individuals. I’m writing about motherhood (some years back) only to discover that it’s a disappeared category.

You know that scene in rosanne when Darlene gets her period and starts throwing her stuff into a garbage bag and Rosanne comes in and essentially says “those things are girls things if a girl is using them”? I thought that this was about breaking down stereotypes. It’s only recently that I’ve realised that a generation of men believes this literally. I am a woman/girl. Therefore my body belongs to a woman/girl. Therefore my genitals are clearly those of a woman/girl.

My sister and her friends are all self diagnosing dysphoria and blaming gender for all their problems. And when I said to a friend that I didn’t think gender was always or often the answer to problems she left and later blocked me on fb. My kid is being told that despite me insisting that colours are for everyone and so are toys - including dolls - his preference for pink shoes and his long hair and the fact that he doesn’t “feel” male (whatever that feels like) means he’s probably not. He’s asking to call himself non binary. He’s 11.

I’m done. Lady penis is not a thing, gender non conformity does not make one trans and ‘transing’ historical women is offensive beyond belief. Akin to people post-humously converting Jewish holocaust victims to Mormonism.

iBiscuit · 16/02/2018 11:12

Accepting boys I can get behind (although I understand objections to it, too). But encouraging girls to leave Shock

DeleteOrDecay · 16/02/2018 10:54

Just peaked again after finding out that Girlguiding U.K has changed its guidelines to allow boys who 'identify as girls' to join whilst encouraging girls who 'identify as boys' to leave.

Seriously can women not have anything without men/boys sticking their ore in?

My dd goes to rainbows. There's a reason I chose to send her there instead of scouts.Angry

Mouthandtrousersall · 16/02/2018 10:16

I peaked late last year after hearing of the assault of Maria at Speakers Corner and reading an article in the Guardian asking people to stop calling women TERFs. Miranda Yardley provided an education.

Last summer I started sailing with a new group specifically for women, I have sailed for years and leapt at this chance because men do treat women as helpless beginners on yachts and it's so tedious, plus the mixed sailing groups can get overly sexual as it's men away from their wives for the weekend.
After one trip another women who was there told me one of the sailors was in fact trans. So a man. I had helped him on with his lifejacket and talked to him about not crushing his boobs as if he was a women. I'm very conflicted about this as the group is set up specifically for women and this guy has invited himself in. To me there are consent issues here. It might suit him to join a women's group but I was expecting a women's group to not have men in it, that is precisely why I fucking went. I was not touching him as a man, he tricked me as far as I am concerned. He is also claiming to be a lesbian as he is a heterosexual man.

I am now sick of hearing about men being in every woman's event, space, conversation, everything, they are either IN DISGUISE or so fucking obvious that they have to INTIMIDATE you into silence. That Vagina museum thread was just sickening, we can't talk about cunts without being trans inclusive. GIVE ME FUCKING STRENGTH.

I'm done with the pronouns. I will never call a man she. They have simply not earned my respect at all.

And being called a bigot by people not even born when I was coming out as a feminist 40 years ago, just keep your patronising attitudes to yourself, they are embarrassing.

LastAnni · 16/02/2018 09:38

A friend's husband transitioned to be become a woman. He is a GP, and is now listed on the practice website as a female GP. I had this realisation that women will be deliberately booking an appointment with a female GP for gynae/sexual/sensitive matters, and will be treated by, essentially, a man in a dress and lippy. That was my peak teams moment.
I want to add that they're an absolutely lovely couple; he's an excellent doctor; I'm very pleased that s/he is happy etc. etc. But I feel the women patients of the GP practice are somehow being defrauded.

LeslieKnopefan · 16/02/2018 09:29

Oh god yes the term CIS and realising that is what people saw me as for simply being born a woman!

boatyardblues · 16/02/2018 08:54

I can see parallels - you fall in with a ready made community who all share and amplify your beliefs, leaving is hard because the same community that embraced you will cast you out...

Fekko · 16/02/2018 08:44

Its like religion!

MightyMike · 16/02/2018 08:40

Here's a good Peak Trans piece. An article showing a "brave" man coming out to his wife and 2 very young children, blowing up his marriage and then deciding that he's not Trans anymore, all within the space of a year.
He gets all kinds of abuse because he couldn't be "authentic" trans, so is now a "brave" gender-fluid man - although I'm not sure what that means.
Also when he was trans he got lots of attention, articles, TV appearances, etc.

Daily Mirror Article on Detransition

FYI according to trans ideology no trans people every detransition - so it's good to see a few stories come out of men who get fed up with the lady face performance (which I believe we will see a load more of in the future).

BlooperReel · 16/02/2018 06:29

Quite a few things in terms of events but on the whole its the ultra agressiveness at anyone who dares question the orthodoxy. All it took for me to be called a TERF was to say i reject the label cis.

LeslieKnopefan · 16/02/2018 02:30

I think the first time I even read about extreme transgender thinking was when people were protesting against Germaine Greer. My concern about universities and banning speakers would take up another thread but it’s the first time I started reading more.

powershowerforanhour · 15/02/2018 20:10

The reporting of the Lauren Jeska case...completely failing to mention the massive elephant in the room that was central to the case. The lack of freedom of the press was sinister.

Also, the inequality of it all with women, as usual, at the bottom of the heap. Lesbians are expected to suck TIM cock but straight men are not expected to validate them in this way. TIFs are expected to be so repulsed by their disgusting female anatomy that they are encouraged to refer to their "front hole" (just an ugly, reductive term that shows what a lot of male TIMs believe a vagina is- just a bare empty hole to be fucked) but TIMs are not encouraged to be ashamed of their penis or avoid referring to it as such- it's de rigeur to be proud of your big swinging ladydick now.

TheLesserOfTwoWeevils · 15/02/2018 19:57

I play a female dominated sport. On a Facebook group somebody asked for advice on how their league can be more inclusive when advertising open games to potential participants. Normally games are women's, men's or mixed. Somebody seriously suggested we should just have two categories and use the wording 'men' and 'non-men'. So effectively erasing women from a women's sport.

Yay progress.

And when a rape survivor said that being in close proximity to people she didn't know with male bodies would be extremely triggering for her, she got told that was her problem and she needed to get help for it and not take part in this sport until she'd gotten over her bigotry. 😡

JustHooking · 15/02/2018 19:38

Lila Perry was my first. The mothers were called bigots for not wanting their daughters to share the school changing room with 18 year old Lila
Lila had refused a seperate changing room or a curtained area in the girls changing room.
Lila spoke to TV cameras whilst wearing a short, grey school skirt with a semi erection swinging freely beneath the skirt
I was thinking am I the only person seeing that!

Ollycat · 15/02/2018 19:26

Oh and the “literal violence “ - it’s not literal violence it’s words expressing a different opinion - literal violence is attacking a 60 year old woman!

Ollycat · 15/02/2018 19:20

and don’t even get me started on no platforming ...

Ollycat · 15/02/2018 19:19

I peaked a while back - the Lauren Jeska case I think but today I’m soooo infuriated by LM’s comments on Twitter talking about “sadness when I see all cis women politics panels” - wtaf!!! I’m so fucking mad about this plus her failing to see the bloody wrongness in mtf competing in women’s sports. She is supposed to be a women’s officer but appears to actively hate women to the point of wanting their erasure PLUS (sorry am ranting) all she fucking does is post stupid puerile mean girls memes on twitter- that’s not politics love it’s crap teenage self indulgence- they have no qualities their only thing is that they are trans.

thebewilderness · 15/02/2018 18:54

The LGB community is beginning to realize that trangendering away the Gay and Lesbians is the homophobic left wing version of the homophobic right wing's conversion therapy.

sportinguista · 15/02/2018 18:24

I think DH has definitely hit peak trans today. It was the breastfeeding story that did it. He thinks it's akin to a form of madness. He too equated it all with the old school transexuals, he is slowly realising this is a rather new kind of shit storm.

OvaHere · 15/02/2018 13:01

I find it hard to recall how I was ever so unquestioning of the trans narrative.

So many people start off from that unquestioning point because the trans movement has so effectively benefitted from using GD transsexual people and the association with LGB rights. People actively want to be right on and progressive and not be against something they think of like gay rights.

Of course it's not like gay rights at all but that requires media reporting to be honest and people to dig beneath the surface. Which most don't currently.

OldmanOfTheWeb · 15/02/2018 12:33

I could list several because every time I think I've reached Peak Trans I come across a whole new yet taller mountain.

The first was probably seeing Germaine Greer get death threats from "Feminists". Another was reading through the terfisaslur website in growing horror. And a third would be seeing Pink News do an article in favour of a man who wanted to be transferred to a women's prison. He was, of course, violent and in for a string of sex offences including breaking into young girl's bedrooms and masturbating with their underwear. Then there are minor plateaus such as Caitlin Jenner telling the "amusing" story of how he was caught by his ten year old daughter wrapping her underwear around his penis. Which at the time I considered an isolated incident rather than seeing the pattern.

Frankly, there have been so many by this point that whilst I still respect anyone's right to dress how they please and am supportive of people with actual Gender Dysphoria (as opposed to the autogynephile fetishists who make up so many of the new crowd), I find it hard to recall how I was ever so unquestioning of the trans narrative.

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