If you've only recently 'peaked'....

For me, it's sports. And ironically, I'm not even particularly sporty, or a big sports supporter.

So ... trans women keep saying they're born in the wrong body.

But - oh - all of a sudden that 'wrong' body's just fine and dandy when it comes to cheating at sport.

If you think your physical body is wrong - then - it's wrong. It's not a women's body, therefore it can't compete against other women's bodies in sports.

You can't use your 'wrong' male body to your advantage when it suits you - especially when you're crystal clear around the fact that you're in the wrong body. You admit it's wrong. So - competing against women is wrong.

There is nothing that will dissuade me from thinking that transwomen /men competing against women in sport is cheating.

Andi Dier/Rose McGowen was the tipping point.

There'd been a few things recently which made me sit back and think "I'm not comfortable with where this is headed" eg the self id thing and Canada's decision to allow TIMs with intact penis into women's prisons but it was Andi Dier that tipped me over the edge.

Not necessarily his outburst, as outrageous and disturbing as it was, but the continued support of a male-bodied heckler verbally attacking an abused woman while she was speaking about her abuse after it came out that Adni had been accused on multiple occasions of assaulting and sexually harassing underaged girls and had a worrying online presence.

I went from disbelief to anger as I switched from wondering why these so-called allies of women couldn't see what I did to realising they saw it all too well, they just hate us.

I still have the utmost sympathy for dysphoric people and people who just choose to dress and act in a way typically associated with the opposite gender and would happily fight for them to be able to do so without prejudice or fear of violence but gender and sex need separating. One is fact, it is biology, it cannot ever be changed and biological males do not have the right to trample all over women and invade their spaces. The other is an ever changing social construct which should be challenged.

I think it was India Willoughby who pushed me over the edge.

Listening to her arrogance on Women’s Hour.

Thank you! It's certainly been educational over the last couple of days.

WitchIwasaWitch18 AGP = Autogynephile. thats a man who gets sexual gratification form imagining himself as a woman.

Look for the Trans Widows Escape Committee thread; AGP's tend to work in IT, work out, and are often homophobic.
They often have a wife and kids.
They frequently leave to find themselves, then bankrupt their families

these might help;
Transgender: How the autogynephilic character is developed

Transgender: Autogynephilia and Narcissistic Rage

Thanks Ovahere 😁

Accelerated of course...

What is AGP please? I'm guessing it is not Accellerated Graphic Port.

Penises, not pennies

For me it was hearing and reading stories about families who had very young children they had labeled as transgender. In every story I came across, the stereotypes were so obvious and appalling. He liked to wear a tea towel on his head and pretend it was long hair. She dressed up as Spiderman for Halloween. He loved anything pink and glittery. That's when we knew.

And then you hear, "as soon as we told him that some girls have pennies, he said 'that's like me!' and it all made sense..."

So in other words, you bought in to a load of stereotypes, and then told your child something that is factually incorrect, and then 'followed their lead' to this conclusion.

The more of these stories I read / heard, the starker the realisation became that this. is. not. progressive.

Reading here made me clarify.

The definition of AGP was key for me.

I’ve always been a “live and let live” type (if not a “support a minority” type) but I’ve realised that in virtually every encounter I have with a trans woman, they try to lead the conversation into talking about boobies and skirts and being looked at and how stockings make them feel and make up (with the expectation that I myself contribute anecdotes as a fellow “girl”)

And because I’ve been “trying to be liberal and right on” I’ve been basically indulging creeps who don’t believe in consent.

If they want to go to fetish clubs and discuss their fantasies online then it’s a free world

but they basically are older weird men (considered unattractive by any sexual orientation or standard ) who want to engage in the conversations and get into the personal space of attractive younger women.

I feel like I’ve been violated. I’m not fucking happy.

Can someone start a thread on AGP?

clarinsgirl

Enjoy the rest of them here

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/10/17/the-snowflake-books/

I peaked some time ago. These threads took me from zero to peak quite quickly as I learned that women's rights were under serious threat and I hadn't a clue. I think the 'Transwomen are women' finally tipped me over the edge. They're fucking not. Love the puppy book earlier in the thread.

I was one who avoided this area and found the trans thing boring and unbelievable. I was wrong. Sorry.

This is outrageous, insidious and I'm with the ones wanting some bloody sense to be regained. And women's spaces to remain penis free.

That's good to hear Weebo because it means it's not a lost cause if people are willing to change their view with increasing evidence that harm is being done.

I first woke up during the Rio Olympics and the discussion over the threat to women’s sport.

Mumsnet has educated me thoroughly since

Recent peak trans - Lily Madigan and their appointment as a Labour constituent women’s officer.

The Peak Trans threads on the Gender Critical sub on Reddit are just jaw dropping. They’re on number VI now (and counting). Well worth a read but best arm yourself with a stiff gin.

I'll hold my hand up to being one of the yellers back then.

But when you're wrong, your wrong. There's no point in holding on to a lie because it makes you feel uncomfortable/guilty.

I'm still battling with myself because I know that innocent trans people are getting hurt in all of this.

I just have to keep reminding myself that it's the actions of the TRA's who are causing that hurt.

Mine was the 'first female front line soldier' too. In fact DH got the just before me, announcing it with a 'what the fuck?', no issue with trans but we know women who would have applied for that role and been good at it if they had been allowed. But they weren't.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37391807

One heartening thing to note is how many women are now engaged with this.

A couple of years ago any threads on Fem Chat about this were sparsely populated by a few posters and threads in AIBU and Chat turned into fights with the majority yelling bigot.

The ratios have changed. A lot.

I've mostly avoided the topic.
Knowing fuck all about it and assuming that these days evidence and facts would come into any decision making.
Then the same old nastiness became too obvious and people like Caitlin and IW were eagerly pushed out as examples.

Then I realised about AGP and now...

Cant remember her name bit the female fighter beaten up by a trans.
And cross fit taking a stand against men deciding to compete as women.

initially women's sport and how it was being hijacked....

then autogynephilia ... and especially reading about young lesbians being bullied for not wanting to be with transwomen.... no safe lesbian places free of lady dicks.....

A transwoman friend guided me to my peak trans moment. An old FB friend who initially I was supportive of (and, indeed, unsurprised by their transition because they'd cross dressed since uni days) but as time went on I found myself increasingly irked by their misogynistic jokes, uber macho hobbies and hatred of children. In fact, if you hadn't known who this person was and just took their posts at face value, you would be under no illusion that this was a bloke.

I was confused by how one could have a ladybrain and still be so, well, "laddish".

Then I learned of autogynephilia and everything made sense. They are a textbook autogynephile. And then I felt duped and angry.

Several people (unconnected to this TW) deleted me from Facebook when I said "female is not a feeling". I'd love to know what they think now. I rather suspect they still congratulate themselves on their inclusivity and liberal feminism and virtue signalling.

For me it was an MN thread about the potential implications for girls with ASD. I am recently diagnosed as being on the spectrum, and for most of my youth there was some element of wanting to be a boy, having interests that were more 'typical of boys', getting on better with boys. The implications for children like I was is terrifying.

I would point out that I am now perfectly content to be a woman.