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CisMyArse · 07/02/2018 17:17

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

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Alwaysinmyheart · 08/02/2018 15:29

Well I've just emailed my MP to register my concerns, I urge you all to do the same, we have to do something!

theaveragewife · 08/02/2018 15:26

Taking a class in the history of feminism as a part of my masters. Past feminists were ridiculed, and a TRA came in to teach a class on the female penis.

I’ve found there are so many peaks - why stop at one?

Callmejudith · 08/02/2018 15:23

And now my TIM FB friend has joined a women's soccer team. I would love to know what they really think.

TheRollingCrone · 08/02/2018 15:20

I'd seen threads trending here, really didn't pay much attention.

It's only a few transexuals in dresses, I said, whats the worst that could happen?

Then my daughter watched the cbbc programme about a GNC child, and turned round and said "you can change sex if you want". Quickly educated her on that, came here understood gender as a social construct.
But I think it was reading the push to indoctrinate children/young adults and the complete lack of research. Then when on to read about how this has panned out in Canada/ USA.
To be honest I, ve had so many #peaktrans moments I'm sea sick.
GRA✔
AUTOGYNEPHILIA ✔
LILY MADIGAN✔
THE LABOUR PARTY✔
THE GREEN PARTY✔
THE COTTON CEILING✔
NO PLATFORMING #NODEBATE✔

I,ve just bought tickets for a woman's place uk meeting in Birmingham. I'm bringing my daughter she's 10 - I'm expecting a lot to go over her head. There was a time when I thought this fight is lost - but it's not. Women are mighty when we come together.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 08/02/2018 15:12

Yes, transsexual people are a tiny population. 'Transgender' though is much wider given it includes crossdressers and such

And self-ID (which businesses are adopting, and the government is considering making into actual law) means it will be any male person, coming to a changing room near you soon. Not transsexual people. Just any male who fancies it. Which I suspect, given how many male people are predators, will be a fairly large number taking advantage of this sillyness.

MrWriter · 08/02/2018 15:01

Ive been following these threads for a while and it was mn and Lily Madigan that peak trans me, I cant believe the craziness and how most of the country dont seem to know about it.

Efferlunt · 08/02/2018 14:12

I’ve lurked on here. I could see the robustness of some of the arguments but I thought trans people are a tiny tiny fraction of the population so is it really an issue? How likely is it that you find a trans person working in your local shelter or changing at your pool? I’ve only ever met one trans person irl and she was lovely.

But I hate the way the debate is being framed and how they are pushing for sweeping changes without any thought as to the effect on women. How they would eventually make the concept of women meaningless for the purposes of say crime reporting or fair pay or anything like that

freakingpeaking · 08/02/2018 13:50

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drspouse · 08/02/2018 12:57

Always No that is the correct way to refer to a MIXED group of men and women, or where you are not sure of the sex. It is to prevent women being subsumed under a masculine word, what with women not being male.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 08/02/2018 12:23

Several Canadians sent the rape centre one to me. They were utterly shocked and disgusted by his behaviour.

I've also been talking to several transwomen on Twitter who think that self ID is a terrible idea.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 08/02/2018 12:21

A man called Kimberly Nixon fought Vancouver Rape Relief for 12 years, over his "right" to counsel female victims of rape and domestic violence.

www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/shelter-movement/women-only-space/women-only-space

Alwaysinmyheart · 08/02/2018 12:19

So I just read that in America, there's another variation on cis. Apparently the 'correct' term for a 'Latina' is now 'Latinx'. WTF??

Agerbilatemycardigan · 08/02/2018 12:18

www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/with-gender-identity-bill-canada-shows-leadership-in-advancing-humanrights/article35323583/

The one above is from last year and the one below is from the UK that I've posted before.

www.swimming.org/swimengland/guide-engaging-trans-people-swimming/

Alwaysinmyheart · 08/02/2018 12:16

Oh God, this really is like The Handmaid's Tale now, isn't it?? Shock

Agerbilatemycardigan · 08/02/2018 12:13

They sent me several news stories. I'll see if I can find them. It appears that by the time most people were aware of the bill, it was already too late to stop it.

ijustwannadance · 08/02/2018 11:11

The more I read the more frightened I am for my girls.

The threats of violence and rape to terfs on twitter and fb for not pretending ladydicks/ladybrains exist.

The term 'literal violence' and the fact that every single word or term relating to women is 'triggering'. If you are that fucking sensistive you need your mental health looked at.

Talking about it all with DP who works with a lot of 16-25 yo and finding out how little they care about the issue or that they simply don't realise the impact it could have. Trans is trendy.

We are already at the point where public discussion on the subject can have massive repercussions. If I posted anything on FB I could be sacked for hate speech.
Would I not be able to take my new baby to work and talk about childbirth as it isn't trans inclusive?

Peanutbuttercheese · 08/02/2018 10:58

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doesthatmakesense · 08/02/2018 10:16

I have all the fucking peaks. Thank you to the determined and articulate posters on here who have persisted with clarity, courage and really top-class swearing.

I still cannot understand how the actual fuck have TRAs managed to manipulate legislation so quickly. Lobbying usually takes time and money, or overwhelming personal influence but it feels rather more like mass hypnosis at the moment. They having been exceptionally effective at rewriting the rules in their own favour.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 08/02/2018 09:59

I'm clearly dumb. What the hell does peaked mean in this context?

Peak trans is basically..the moment you realise its all a pile of misogynistic wank. Like, when you realise the emproer is naked. And you cannot go back to your previous way of thinking as you have now seen it all for what it is

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/7fdj38/peak_trans_vi_tell_your_story_here/

Here are loads of examples

Many of us accepted the claims of trans activists, wanting to be fair and non-exclusionary, until we really listened to what they were saying, and compared it to our own knowledge and experience. Can "woman" be just an identity, divorced from biology? Can penises be female? Should girls who don't like dolls be treated with double mastectomies and lifelong hormones?
What is peak trans? That's when you said "enough!"

athingthateveryoneneeds · 08/02/2018 09:57

I've been gender critical for my entire life, I think, but started sitting up and paying attention to the current trends when I stumbled across Jordan Peterson on YouTube about a year ago. Couldn't believe what I was seeing, and have experienced that same feeling over and over again many times since.

Trans-age has gotten me particularly angry, as well as the transing of children.

paddypants13 · 08/02/2018 09:56

I've remembered what made me peak. It was worrying some loon could tell my gender non conforming dd she can become a man and give her poison, under the guise of medication, without my consent. If anyone starts that bollocks with my dd (or ds for that matter), she will be home educated and if necessary we will emigrate. I'm not fucking joking either. Angry Leave our children out of this!

IfNot · 08/02/2018 09:53

Caitlin Jenner and woman of the year..and then all the stuff in the media about kids transing- it seemed sinister to me and also sexist and homophobic.
Then the plans for self id (which I read on here). But I think I still wrote it off as a lot of academic feminists who do spend waaay too much time on Twitter and it wasn't really going to affect anyone in the real world..until TopShop, and then reading about new policy for councils and schools, and realising that the idea that biology isnt real is becoming part of the establishment.
Plus, I'm a die hard left winger, but I haven't liked the atmosphere around the Corbyn cult, and the mysoginistic way a lot of left wing men behave, which kind of seems tied up in the getting rid of women thing.
But what actually peaked me was the all women shortlists...and LIAM Madigan.
It's as though being pro "trans" is tied up with being lefty, the same as supporting gay marriage etc, but it's not the same thing at all. Gay people don't want to remove rights from anyone, just to live their lives on an equal footing.
I also thought a lot about the difference between "old school" transsexuals" and the current mouthy "transgender" lot.
See, I have known a few men who used to call themselves transvestites. They wore women's clothes on occasion, had a female alter ego, and were straight. The received wisdom has always been that transvestites are generally straight, whereas transsexuals are gay. (Which I think is true).
I have never had a problem with men dressing in women's stuff as a sexual fetish. I still don't- I had a boyfriend who liked to wear my knickersGrin..whatever floats your boat.
What I DO object to is straight men hijacking the plight of people with a mental disorder (dysmorphia) and forcing their fetish on unconsenting women and female children.
I think a lot of well meaning women have been utterly duped into accepting and welcoming scary perverts into their private spaces.
There is a HUGE difference between the nice transsexual lady (because you've always treated her as such) you work with, and the entitled "lesbian" transvestite pervs.
I feel really sorry for genuine transsexuals as they are being thrown under the bus along with women.

And any cunt that DARES to call me Cis in real life will get kneed on the lady balls.

Best get on with work!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 08/02/2018 09:41

Ager

What are they saying?

OvaHere · 08/02/2018 09:39

Agerbilatemycardigan

Is there a sense that the truth of the reality of self ID is being covered up in Canada? It's an argument trotted out a lot - everything is just peachy in countries that already have self ID. I really can't imagine it is.

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