The Liberals response to TRAs shows why Brexit/Trump won

I'm not really sure what you're getting at, but in my eyes I see that some arguments these day are based squarely on fear. Although it isn't always the arguments I disagree with.

And btw I voted no in the Indy ref. I did that because I thought it was the right decision, not because I found the Yes campaigners annoying.
If I had voted No because I witnessed a Yes campaigner acting like a dick head, then that would make me an idiot.

I don't think its anything like as simple as that.

I am a bit sick of the contortions people go through to blame Trump's win on those least likely to vote for him; ever since the day he won endless words have been written to explain how Trump's win was all the fault of the liberals/democrats/the far left/the centre left etc etc etc.
Same as how Brexit is all the fault of remainers.

Everything is interconnected and to some extent all movements affect each other but really, Trump won because enough people in enough states wanted him to. They weren't all holding their nose and voting for him because "the left" called someone a racist unfairly.

Anyone who votes for someone awful they don't like simply to piss off one particular faction on the left or the right is an idiot.

Anyone who claims to have voted Brexit because they didn't like what a remainer said about brexiteers on the internet once either has their priorities very wrong or they are being disingenuous.

I don't really agree with you, OP. The response of TRAs to feminist objections has been particularly vicious, with threats of violence and in some cases actual violence.

If you look back at the US presidential election, almost all the threats of violence, as far as I could see, were coming from Trump supporters. The attacks on Hillary Clinton were particularly nasty, with Trump supporters chanting "Lock her up" (and a lot of stuff worse than that).

With the EU campaign, the worst you could say about the Remain side was that they were condescending. You couldn't say they were threatening violence, though. I would say the Leave side gave as least as good as they got.

Laughable.

A massive amount of money - and uncosted aid, through services such as those of Cambridge Analytica - went into funding the 'Leave' campaign. We still haven't managed to get to the bottom of it, and I doubt there is the political will to do so now. Such as we know of exceeded the guidelines - and as I said, I doubt we'll ever know the half of it.

I suspect that played a larger part than some supposed 'lack of reasoned debate' on the part of 'Remain'.

That myth has to be put to bed. I genuinely don't get it. There is something truly weird about it. It's part and parcel of the whole: 'We've had enough of experts' shit.

Expert: 'Fact, fact, fact.'

Brexiteer: 'Wah! You're being condescending!!!'

There is no 'debate' possible when that kind of narrative is being played out.

There is no debate possible when one side is lying - and will never be held accountable for lying.

As for it's similarity to the Trans debate ... what? That's just goadery, frankly. Trying to generate clicks by harnessing two volatile subjects.

I remember the main objections to Brexit being organising trade deals, and customs issues.
I remember any objections to Brexit being labelled as Project Fear, while The Brexit Bus promised money for the NHS and Fargage made a poster about immigration.

After Brexit I've seen disgruntled Brexiters complain that Remainers didn't state their case forcefully enough.

So I guess it just depends who you paid attention to at the time.

I dare say you're at least a bit right with this. Same during Scottish indy ref. You don't vote yes? Do you want children to die?

I think the problem on all counts is that the 'left' has lost the ability to debate and think critically...and I say that as someone who has always considered myself on the left. The 'left' has been taken over by university educated middle-class types seeped in postmodern indoctrination. They can't debate or even defend their policies because they're based on subjective feelings, so they have to rely on bullying tactics. It's sad really.