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JenniferJames · 07/02/2018 05:32

Am I allowed on here with my kids both grown up? 🤔
I just wanted to say omg thank you thank you thank you SO MUCH for your support for the crowdfunder to keep Labour all-women shortlists just for... err... women. £22,000 now and my sisters here booted it into the mainstream.
Anyway will check back in case anyone has questions.
You Are Mighty
Jen 😘😘😘

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OvaHere · 07/02/2018 08:31

Welcome Jen

Thanks for having the courage to start the fundraiser. It is so motivating to see how many people are outraged about AWS (and no doubt many other things).

It's really important that the politicians realise this is women as a class (and some men) who are unhappy about self ID and not a niche bunch of meanies.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 07/02/2018 08:29

thanks, Jen, for the opportunity to say this is a load of crap without losing my job

And thanks for what you're doing Star

GuardianLions · 07/02/2018 08:26

Good morning Jennifer. You are such an inspiration.

Seeing your twitter with your name and public, identifiable role - with your fearless, open challenges of the trans agenda has really moved this to the mainstream- most people (such as me) do it anonymously or, have less direct danger to their jobs/role (still get their employer hounded), or skirt round the issue and say 0.5% of what they actually mean such as "transwomen are transwomen".

You moved the window of what was possible by taking that risk and it has really helped to alleviate some of my fears.

So thanks

I knew it was only a matter of time before you were suspended - but you didn't go quietly and it has only highlighted very publicly what happens when people challenge. No one is in doubt. You made the documents public.

You have amazing courage and energy. Let's keep it up together!

LizzieSiddal · 07/02/2018 08:24

*Tips:

  1. Don't take any shit
  2. Know your facts and your arguments inside out
  3. Have a double jack and coke before you go in
  4. Don't take any shit
  5. Stay calm and polite
  6. Repeat no. 1*

I think that should be every woman’s mantra for life in general!

Thank you Jennifer for putting your head above the parapet. You’ll always have lots of supporters on MN!
Do you know when your case will go ahead? Will it take forever to be heard?

CallMeAstroTerf · 07/02/2018 08:24

Also, theres a MN meet up on the 17th March. Anyone on this board keen to go? See this thread or DM SweetBabyJebus for details

LONDON MEET-UP - Spring 2018www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3130877-LONDON-MEET-UP-Spring-2018

LONDON MEET-UP - Spring 2018www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3130877-LONDON-MEET-UP-Spring-2018

AngryAttackKittens · 07/02/2018 08:24

Hi Jennifer! Thank you so much for kicking this off. Someone had to do it, but a lot of people would have thought "well why can't it be someone else?", so thanks for being the one to stick your neck out. The ball is rolling now, and it's getting harder and harder for the parties, media, etc to pretend that it's just a tiny coven of radfem witches who're not onboard with this crap.

(I mean, that wouldn't be a bad description of me and my nearest and dearest, but we're not alone in seeing through the bullshit.)

CallMeAstroTerf · 07/02/2018 08:21

Morning Jen!
Thank you for all youre doing to raise awareness of what the country seems to bd sleepwalking into.

I had good Canadian friends who have now shunned me since I started questioning "transwomen are women" and who tell me how peachy everything is in Canada now that they have made everyone so equal Hmm

Hoping to get to the Lewisham meeting next month and maybe the WPUK London meet too. Hope to see you in action soon!
Have a great day GinCake

LangCleg · 07/02/2018 08:16

Hey Jen. Thanks for the fundraiser! I donated and am clinging on as a Labour member. Unsure for how long though. We all have our lines in the sand and I think possibly criminal misuse of member data might just be mine.

PerfPower · 07/02/2018 08:10

Hi Jen, good to see you here and thanks for bringing this issue out in the open. Great article you recommended by Trish Lavelle in The Morning Star. Can anyone do a clicky link?

GColdtimer · 07/02/2018 07:43

I wasn't really aware of all the ramifications of self ID before. Tried to discuss it with a colleague and was made to feel like a bigot. Are there any well argued well reasoned articles anyone can point me to so I can be more intellectually equipped in future? I know there are 100s of threads I could trawl through but any recommendations would be great. Thank you

And well done on the campaign.

HerFemaleness · 07/02/2018 07:42

Hello Jen, I donated twice and we chatted a bit via email. I'm really pleased to see you here.

grafittiartist · 07/02/2018 07:34

Thank you for what you're doing Jennifer. I'm also a member, and have no intention of cancelling my membership. This is my party too, and leaving gives me no voice.

LostSight · 07/02/2018 07:32

Thanks for standing up for women. The amount of money raised and the speed are heartening. This is not the tiny minority of women some people would like to believe. And if there are so many women who object, there is something wrong when people still refuse to listen.

God luck with everything.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 07/02/2018 07:31

I've been up since 3.30 trying to write an evaluation.

Stopmakingsense · 07/02/2018 07:29

I donated too. Not a labour member but I was a labour voter. Not any more. Mumsnet is a lifeline for me in a mad scary world where identity politics has trumped science. My trans child will not be called for a cervical smear because her medical records and passport say her sex is 'Male' - hasn't been near a Gender Clinic. That is political correctness gone mad. Well done for making this stand, many others to follow.

sashh · 07/02/2018 07:29

Morning Jennifer.

Glad you have found us.

MissBeehiving · 07/02/2018 07:27

Kudos, Jennifer Flowers

howonearthdidigethere · 07/02/2018 07:27

Morning Jennifer. I donated to your crowdfunded twice. I work with young people and I can’t describe to you the unholy mess that this intersectional liberal feminism shite has made in schools. It’s terrifying and I have many young girls who have a long list of labels and a few children now with enormous power to bully and silence others because they can’t get their head around this shit. There’s no one to advise me and I’m scared that I’ll get in trouble every day for saying the wrong thing.

All of this is to pander to adult males and is a by product of gender studies departments being able to inform educational policy.

The Labour Party are exploiting this mess to get the youth vote. I’ve left the party over this. I’m devastated.

JaimesGoldenHand · 07/02/2018 07:22

Hi

Just to say I'm not a Labour supporter but I donated to the crowdfunded as I'm horrified with where this seems to be heading. I'm genuinely scared by the attitude that some men (MIT or not) have for women. No wonder we are belittled, talked over, physically assaulted, pressured into sex, ogled and employed for our looks, when there is such a strong sense of male entitlement in our politicians.

How has this "trans woman are real women" got so far? Because men have no idea of the shit we face or what it means to have our safe spaces and our means of gaining equality (AWS) trampled over.

Good luck with whatever you're legal case is brought using the crowdfunded proceeds.

Patodp · 07/02/2018 07:17

Hi Jenny
I donated to your fundraiser and emailed it to Stella Creasy, my MP to warn her that labour were in grave danger of alienating women. Women are cancelling their membership rather than be part of a party so content with such blatant misogyny. Tumbleweed response from her...

I will not quit and will still vote Corbyn despite this... because in all other policy areas I am 100% on side, and am 100% against Tory in ALL areas. I hope to fight this issue from within.

There was a concern that your crowd funder may be used for other purposes, like challenging Venice Allen's suspension, or things that are not related to what is written on the fundraising page.

Are you definitely using the cash to bring a case against Labour? Which lawyers are you / will you be paying?

JenniferJames · 07/02/2018 07:17

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SweetGrapes · 07/02/2018 07:11

Hi Jen, good to see you here. Have been donating and putting my head above tge parapet cautiously on facebook. Still alive and kicking.

Thanks for what you are doing!

I have a disabled daughter and while she loves having men around, all her personal care has been done by women. I 'm damned if I stand by and let her lose her right to say No to men helping her change her pads. Men may be lovely and all that But it's her right to choose.

picklemepopcorn · 07/02/2018 07:07

The current direction is attempting to marginalise 50% of the population. Again.

Thanks for taking a stand for us all!

TheNerevarine · 07/02/2018 07:01

Oh, and I have a question actually: are trans men who change their sex legally to male be excluded from AWS? If they are, presumably it's not been a problem so far because of the small numbers of trans men with a GRC, but if self-ID comes through and lots of girls transition, changing their sex legally, then it will be enormously shit if they're all excluded, despite being members of the very sex the AWS are supposed to help, and probably will be one of the most marginalised and at-risk too. How is that not trans-exclusionary?

Sorry to babble on, but it's not really an angle I've seen much, particularly on Twitter.

Collidascope · 07/02/2018 07:01

Hi Jennifer, I just pm'ed you