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Feminists who are Lord Peter fans......

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BertrandRussell · 06/02/2018 19:56

I just noticed this reference to domestic violence in Busman’s Honeymoon.
“"O-o-oh! I do hope he won't be violent."

"Violent?" said Harriet, half amused and half angry. "Oh, I shouldn't think so."

But alarm is infectious...and much-tried men have been known to vent their exasperation upon their[Pg 330] servants. The two women clung together, waiting for the explosion.

"Well," said the distant voice, "all I can say is, Bunter, don't let it happen again.... All right.... Good God, man, you needn't tell me that ...of course you didn't.... We'd better go and view the bodies."

The sounds died away, and the women breathed more freely. The dreadful menace of male violence lifted its shadow from the house”

Aren’t those last two sentences chilling?

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Lancelottie · 12/02/2018 22:19

This thread is a much needed tonic.

RadicalFern · 12/02/2018 22:19

I didn’t realise Busman’s Honeymoon was originally written for the stage. I can’t get my head round how the diary entries or epistolary bits (which I like best of the whole book) would have worked in that format.

Lancelottie · 12/02/2018 22:19

Apparently he had never given any of his lovers cause for complaint, according to his possibly biased uncle in the afterword.

RosyPrimroseface · 12/02/2018 22:15

ah, this thread! I am in total agreement about the punt scene. And have always been looking for a man who would surreptitiously complete my half-finished sonnet, making it a better poem.

They can have the harmony if they leave us the counterpoint.

The French opera singer in Peter's past is a bit dodgy though. All very well singing saucy songs in the French language but what happened to her when he discarded her, eh?

Also on busman's honeymoon - I agree we have to take some of its broader parts as being suited to the stage. The denouement itself, for example, is entirely a visual special effect. All a bit Phantom of the Opera.

RadicalFern · 12/02/2018 22:05

Also, I think Ian Carmichael is a terrific reader, but he was much too old for the part when he was acting in it. Edward Petherbridge all the way on screen. Harriet Walter is one of my all time favourite actors - such presence!

RadicalFern · 12/02/2018 22:03

Except that, they have a whole argument about it, and he says something along the lines that he would consider it an impertinance to order her to do anything, and she says no, you’d give orders quick smart if there was something falling from above or the house was on fire.

NorthernLurker · 12/02/2018 19:21

Has nobody mentioned Harriet promising to obey? Grin
I don't care if they did it to annoy Helen and make a point about how liberated they were, I still don't like it.

FlaviaAlbia · 12/02/2018 19:12

I could see how a person could mispronounce Balliol but not someone who's paid to be an audiobook reader...

I had no idea all these were on YouTube, I can see some very happy hours ahead of me Smile

I really love The Nine Tailors read by Ian Carmichael, I could listen to him reading out the bell changes for hours.

catkind · 12/02/2018 18:34

Looking at screenshots I'm convinced the hall scenes are Corpus Christi Oxford.

Can't work out how to get images in here but if you look carefully at the first scene in GN when it pans across it has a tiled floor, a fireplace on the right hand side, and little carved things coming down either side of the portrait behind the high table. Those all match Corpus but not Sidney. And Sidney has a door behind the high table on the right which I can't see in the video.

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 12/02/2018 18:29

Hang on.

Strong Poison is on YouTube too?

bettys · 12/02/2018 18:26

InvisibleUnicorn I agree about the knapsack, it also seems to hold an awful lot of items! I have been looking online for a knitting pattern but no luck so far. In episode 2 Harriet wears a rather splendid zigzag top.

Am also re-reading Murder Must Advertise for the umpteenth time & hugely enjoying it while thinking how it is remarkably modern in some ways in outlook. Just got to the bit where he goes out to dinner with the only woman who wasn't pining on his account.

InvisibleUnicorn · 12/02/2018 17:24

@bettys I have just started Have His Carcase. I too think the beret is positively splendid! And the nap sack . I previously spotted some replica nap sacks on not on the high street and I am coveting a proper canvas and leather job.

InvisibleUnicorn · 12/02/2018 17:22

@drspouse is was mispronounced on audible? 😳😳😳

Mind, when I lived in Oxford I was often forced to keep a very straight face when tourists mispronounced Magdalen. I tried to be very polite and not correct them obviously 🙈

drspouse · 12/02/2018 16:37

Ah not you Invisible it was upthread in one of the audio book posts!

bettys · 12/02/2018 14:32

Thanks to this thread I am now re-reading DLS and also re-watching on Youtube. I am on Have His Carcase and really really want a knitted beret like Harriet is wearing!

InvisibleUnicorn · 12/02/2018 14:23

@drspouse spellcheck...

I am "working" while also enjoying Strong Poison. God bless YouTube.

drspouse · 12/02/2018 13:41

How can you mispronounce Balliol?

InvisibleUnicorn · 12/02/2018 13:32

*Balliol.

InvisibleUnicorn · 12/02/2018 13:32

@catkind Ah, that was actually DH's point about Sidney after I had explained it was a newer college and sited on balloon cricket ground (I love that detail!)

He said Sidney was the same and just built in the style of a much older college. It is to be fair, similar sounding with very formal and beautiful gardens.

I am enjoying the last episode of Gaudy on YouTube and the film/sound has unfortunately slipped out of sync. I am still massively enjoying it though 😍

Vestly · 12/02/2018 09:10

It's lovely to read this again and lovely to read an actual physical book after several e-books.

Feminists who are Lord Peter fans......
ApacheEchidna · 12/02/2018 04:34

I am of course desperately in love with Peter Wimsey (I think DH doesn't mind as he is similarly in love with Harriet Vane). The one phrase that jars for me is the line in BH where PW contemplates his "female possessions". Hmph.

Agrona · 12/02/2018 03:17

This is a wonderful thread. Thank you for staring it BetrandRussell. No one I know in real life has read any of the Dorothy Sayers novels.

One small detail that fascinated me in Murder Must Advertise is the short reference to Lord Peter trying to court Harriet Vane while investigating this case.

catkind · 12/02/2018 00:31

InvisibleUnicorn, think I read somewhere that it was filmed at Corpus Christi, Oxford. Though I suppose it may not all have been in the same place. All wrong using an old college of course.

InvisibleUnicorn · 11/02/2018 22:07

And why is so much dialogue repeated in episode 2??

InvisibleUnicorn · 11/02/2018 21:46

I am watching Gaudy Night on YouTube (haven't seen it for ages), thank you for the prompt below... and DH has wandered into the sitting room and started a passionate discussion about where it was filmed. He hasn't even read the book.

So , does anyone else recognise the dining room of the college appearing as Shrewsbury? Or have I actually come up with too niche a question for this very niche topic? 😂

He declares it to be Sidney in Cambridge. I think it's Merton in Oxford. As why would they film anything in Cambridge?