Seperate trans officer role for labour

So let me get this straight. If you call me Fekkette-Flamenco-a-woman-without-a-penis’ I can put my hat in the ring?:

Trans woman trans
Ultra trans
Hard core trans
Mega trans
Dibble day doo da’...?

So if the Women’s Officer post is used solely to promote trans rights, we can use the Trans Officer post to actually get on and improve the lot of women, including recruiting women back into the party by reassuring that SOMEONE actually cares?

Gosh it's really working already. I just have to channel Joyce Grenfell and seriously talk down to people.
I might go the full hog and be incredibly patronizing and talk really slowly, just so I know you are keeping up.

fuck I think I've cracked it

Yes! Thats the one. Practice speaking knowledgeably about the Holey Conomy;

then develop an unusual, special relationship with Trump;

Upstart you have now put MT's voice in my head - that's literal violence don't cha know

Well my DM was a bit of a snob, and she sent me for elocution lessons so with a bit of practice I might be able to manage that

SmurfOrTerf Thats your second job. Your first job is to perfect the Thatcher voice.

Schrodinger I thought my first job was to draw up a list of people to get kicked out of the party

I cannot believe that I have voted Labour all my life but now? Not again.

How can I vote for this?

Remember folks that the CLP where LM got elected as Women's Officer already had an LGBT officer post (for which he did not stand)

Something I pondered on another thread was who is allowed to vote in the elections for this post. AFAIK only women are able to vote for the Women's Officer (self-ID, I know, I know), but what kind of "gate-keeping" does anyone do to ensure that only eligible voters get the ballot papers for the LGBT post?

There was also a proposal at the Young Labour shindig this weekend for a BAME officer - no details yet on how one proves eligibility to stand for / elect to that post....

I'm sure you would do a great job. Your first task would be to tell transwomen how it feels to be trans and then accuse them of transphobia if they protest.

Thanks Schrodinger do you think I'll get the job ?

Excellent idea, Surforterf.

I think I'll self ID as a transwoman. Heels, make up and dresses are alien to me, so if I get a bad wig, and a stupid name I might pass as a transwoman. As for a name ? How about Savannah Smurf ?

Wouldn't this mean we're all able to apply for the trans officer role, if the all-women shortlists remain open to trans women and self-ID becomes law?

The women's shortists are open to trans women because trans women are women. As they're women, any physical aspects which are traditionally considered 'male' are, in their cases, female. A fixed division between male/female physical aspects is not the defining aspect of sex-based shortlists. The physical can and should be entirely disregarded.

Sex, not just gender identity, resides entirely in a person's inner consciousness and public statement.

So I can be a trans-trans woman. My intent to self-identify this way overrides traditional, restrictive physical notions that a trans woman is a person born male who wishes or needs to live as female. In fact - that sentence is taboo, isn't it? You can't say 'April, you're not a trans women', because that would suggest there is some significant difference between me and trans women, which of course there isn't because we're exactly the same. You can't define me as a non-trans woman without inadvertantly describing trans women as 'people born male who wish or need to live as females'. That statement is, at best, crass, and at worst a tangible form of violence.

And you could say: 'no, April: you're a member of the woman category, but you're sub-classified as a cis-woman, and this position is only open to trans-women'.

But I don't identify as a cis-woman. I feel, in a way you cannot question, that I am a trans woman, and that I can speak for trans women, and although I haven't shared any of their formative experiences and the challenges specifically related to being born male and transitioning into a female identity, I still very strongly feel that I should represent the trans woman community as a trans trans woman.

I'm sorry, but why are you obsessed with the idea that I was born female and now live as a woman? Why do you care about my genitals and reproductive system and DNA? We've decided that doesn't matter.

So: everyone apply. It's the Victor/Victoria test. Nobody can point out that we're women pretending to be men pretending to be women if those words don't mean anything any more.

And people wonder how Trump got elected...

Popchyk
Do you think Ladbrokes would accept a bet that in a years time, a Labour BAME post will be held by a Hetero white fella transracial transwomen.

A little white Lilly

Maybe a little flower ?

Yes, it needs to be someone really truly oppressed, someone who can provide a voice for the voiceless.

Like a white bloke.

S’how come a person whose been a ‘woman’ for five minutes not have this? 20 years a man and not even a teensy bit of privilege?

It won't be a transman because they would have 'male privilege'.

Please please please please please transman for the job.

Trans people are a tiny proportion of the population compared to lesbian, gay and bi people. But they don't get their own officer, they just have to do with one LGB person.

In the interests of fairness, they would presumably need:

Lesbian Officer
Gay Officer
Bi Officer
Gender Fluid Officer
Trans Officer

As an absolute minimum really.

Having just a Trans Officer is a bit like deciding to structure your government into Economy, Health, Education, Home Affairs, Foreign Affairs, and Plymouth Argyle supporters.

FFS. I don't think I could possibly vote for labour again.