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'Engaging trans people in swimming' (aka penises are ok in the lady's changing rooms, but transmen must cover their breasts)

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pisacake · 06/02/2018 03:16

www.swimming.org/library/documents/2857/download

"You may need to do some education work with other centre users who may be concerned when sharing a
space with a trans person, especially if a trans customer looks to have different physical characteristics to the
gender they are identifying with i.e. a male to female trans customer who has not had top or bottom surgery
may still look like a male to others, and conversely with female to male trans customers.
"

"You should adopt a zero tolerance policy on any transphobic
behaviour from staff or centre users.

  1. Try to encourage your workforce to be aware of any potential
transphobia likely to happen before or after a session, both in or around the centre, and empower them to challenge transphobic language, attitudes and behaviours from other staff members, customers and the general public too."

"Some swimmers who were born female but now identify
differently may wear what is called a ‘binder’ – this is a
tight piece of material that is wrapped around the top half
of the body in order to compress breasts to conceal them
behind clothing. This is perfectly safe to swim in, and
should be encouraged."

"Some swimmers may have a preference to wear less
clothing than usually expected. For example, some
swimmers may not want to wear anything on their top half,
so as to identify with their new gender, but if they have
not had top surgery this means that this person’s breasts
will be clearly visible. This needs to be talked about and an
amicable solution found. This may be appropriate to allow
during a trans specific session, but if a trans swimmer is
attending any other session in the timetable, then they
should be appropriately covered up – you wouldn’t allow a
woman to swim topless in a public session, and you need
to treat everyone the same."

So basically trans-identified women must cover up, but trans-identified men can shower nude with women and the women needed to be 'educated' to understand this. And if anyone complains turf them out under the 'zero tolerance against transphobia' policy.

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CraigyRicherer · 08/02/2018 22:19

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AngryAttackKittens · 08/02/2018 21:57

Thanks, Goals! I've yet to get an image link to work, not sure what I'm doing wrong.

I'm guessing Craig was a bit peevish about being mocked? Poor babby.

CraigyRicher · 08/02/2018 21:49

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misscockerspaniel · 08/02/2018 17:13

The actress Hedy Lamarr was also an inventor.

NatGrad59 I hope you are still reading posts. Because most of us have trans peaked, we assume that everyone knows about proposals for self-ID. Most of us have met or know an old-school transwoman, quietly going about their business. They are not the problem. The trouble comes with self-ID eg a peeping tom would be able to go into the women's loos and if challenged, claim to be a woman. Furthermore, those challenging him would be committing a hate crime simply by calling him out. And don't get me started on autogynephilia (look it up). The majority of men who claim to be trans indulge in autogynephilia. Why the hell should women and children be forced to partake in a stranger's fetish? And the majority of transwoman retain a fully functioning penis. And it would seem that an awful lot of transwoman claim to be lesbian - go figure.

CraigyRich · 08/02/2018 16:23

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 08/02/2018 15:41

AngryAttackKittens link was this

If it works. Which my image posting almost never does

Just so you don't miss out

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UpstartCrow · 08/02/2018 15:37

CraigyRich
Kevlar, Beer, Fire Escapes.
Just 3 things women have Invented.

Rosalind Franklin. Any idea who she is?
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130519-women-scientists-overlooked-dna-history-science/

hipsterfun · 08/02/2018 15:33

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TheElementsSong · 08/02/2018 14:56
Grin
AngryAttackKittens · 08/02/2018 14:37

Shorter Craig.

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CraigyRich · 08/02/2018 14:23

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Gileswithachainsaw · 08/02/2018 14:08
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Yep I think it is about time.

There has to be someone I guess.

TheElementsSong · 08/02/2018 14:04

Is it time for this? Grin

'Engaging trans people in swimming' (aka penises are ok in the lady's changing rooms, but transmen must cover their breasts)
TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/02/2018 12:53
Biscuit
CraigyRich · 08/02/2018 12:52

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/02/2018 12:46

And why the actual fuck has autocorrect taken to capitalising Male? I've got better things to do than keep going back and changing it

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/02/2018 12:44

Maybe men are sitting back now, taking a rest waiting for women to Invent a cure for cancer

Fair enough: in that case they need to be taking on all the childcare, housework etc to free us up, in the same way that women have historically facilitated male invention.

Not distracting us with exhausting fights over our basic rights and safety would help too.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/02/2018 12:42

Why do MRAs always capitalize random words like that? Is there some sort of training program where they sit them down and go, now, son, if you really Want your words to make an Impact then you need to make sure that you write Like this?

CraigyRich · 08/02/2018 12:40

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Lovelyusername · 08/02/2018 12:01

And boycott swim England - will get a list of pools shortly

That is a word that will be listened to, more than ‘women’s concerns’

Lovelyusername · 08/02/2018 12:00

@suitedandbooted on the thread in AIBU mentioned th safeguarding issues. Ie the requirement for DbA checks to work with children

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/02/2018 09:50

Sorry lovelyusername! It's a really good idea. I think the safeguarding element is the way forward. Can anyone point us in the direction of the specific safeguarding responsibilities this body has?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/02/2018 09:46

If men were as dedicated and inventive about anything else as they are about perving on women we'd have a cure for cancer and flying cars by now

Yep

Lovelyusername · 08/02/2018 09:46

Petition petition petition

What else?

I have written to swim England.

Tweet them?

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