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'Engaging trans people in swimming' (aka penises are ok in the lady's changing rooms, but transmen must cover their breasts)

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pisacake · 06/02/2018 03:16

www.swimming.org/library/documents/2857/download

"You may need to do some education work with other centre users who may be concerned when sharing a
space with a trans person, especially if a trans customer looks to have different physical characteristics to the
gender they are identifying with i.e. a male to female trans customer who has not had top or bottom surgery
may still look like a male to others, and conversely with female to male trans customers.
"

"You should adopt a zero tolerance policy on any transphobic
behaviour from staff or centre users.

  1. Try to encourage your workforce to be aware of any potential
transphobia likely to happen before or after a session, both in or around the centre, and empower them to challenge transphobic language, attitudes and behaviours from other staff members, customers and the general public too."

"Some swimmers who were born female but now identify
differently may wear what is called a ‘binder’ – this is a
tight piece of material that is wrapped around the top half
of the body in order to compress breasts to conceal them
behind clothing. This is perfectly safe to swim in, and
should be encouraged."

"Some swimmers may have a preference to wear less
clothing than usually expected. For example, some
swimmers may not want to wear anything on their top half,
so as to identify with their new gender, but if they have
not had top surgery this means that this person’s breasts
will be clearly visible. This needs to be talked about and an
amicable solution found. This may be appropriate to allow
during a trans specific session, but if a trans swimmer is
attending any other session in the timetable, then they
should be appropriately covered up – you wouldn’t allow a
woman to swim topless in a public session, and you need
to treat everyone the same."

So basically trans-identified women must cover up, but trans-identified men can shower nude with women and the women needed to be 'educated' to understand this. And if anyone complains turf them out under the 'zero tolerance against transphobia' policy.

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Alwaysinmyheart · 06/02/2018 08:48

I've just tweeted them, I'm so disgusted by this! This is genuinely dangerous to women and girls. Sexual predators, voyeurs etc will be rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect.

Oh well, at least it might help to peak Trans more people...

ShotsFired · 06/02/2018 08:47

@Mrsmiguelcervantes There will be maternity wards. The one service they can’t ID into.

You wanna bet? Look forward to a future where birthing individuals (what we used to call expectant mothers) come in all shapes and sizes and can absolutely have a "birthing event", uterus or not...

"During birthing events, the center of focus is not the pregnant Handmaid but the very un-pregnant Wife, who spends the entire ceremony with her legs splayed and groaning in pain, as if she were, indeed, actually about to give birth. All the while, her fellow wives sit around her, gently coaching her to “breathe.”"
www.inverse.com/article/30999-handmaid-s-tale-fake-pregnancy-pseudocyesis-birth-scene

rowdywoman1 · 06/02/2018 08:47

The National Association of Headteachers has similar 'threats' running through their guidelines.
The trouble is they've obviously used the same organisations who of course take the approach that 'a transgender woman is a real woman' and any non believers MUST be re-educated. And every single organisation just caves in in the face of this.

I wish I did twitter as I'd be on the pages of those organisations calling them out for their rampant misogyny.

BiologyMatters · 06/02/2018 08:46

There i go peak transed again. It's a daily occurance.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2018 08:40

I'm surprised they didn't mention the thumbscrews that will be used in the reeducation process, honestly.

Alwaysinmyheart · 06/02/2018 08:38

How are we expected to know the difference between someone who is genuinely Trans and someone who is just there to perve on women and girls?

And if you complain, you get kicked out??

Fuck that shit

FlaviaAlbia · 06/02/2018 08:37

ridiculoussingle I'm sure I've read that the men's pond is not admitting women identifying as men, and the mixed is staying as it was too, it's just the women's pond that's under pressure.

Suprise.

Mrsmiguelcervantes · 06/02/2018 08:32

There will be maternity wards. The one service they can’t ID into.

Alwaysinmyheart · 06/02/2018 08:28

Well this is a recipe for fucking disaster, isn't it??

If this new self ID law goes through, there will literally be NO spaces that are women only ever again...Angry

NaturalWoman · 06/02/2018 08:18

I wonder what would happen if a TM was told to cover their breasts and they shouted in the pool employees face

"I AM A MAN. Stop misgendering me with your transphobic cis privilege!"

Thehairthebod · 06/02/2018 08:12

Yes, I suppose it is 'transphobic' because they are 'the same' as a man's chest.

Or something...

MrsJoshDun · 06/02/2018 08:10

But cis men can have their breasts out. Totally transphobic to say a TIF can't do the same.

NaturalWoman · 06/02/2018 08:10

But if TWAW then TMAM, which means that they are men and those are men breasts.

As we already know, any mention of female biology is transphobic.

Mrsmiguelcervantes · 06/02/2018 08:10

I find the wording about educating women to not mind surprise penis utterly chilling.

Thehairthebod · 06/02/2018 08:09

To be fair the bit about TIFs covering their breasts applies to the actual swimming pool, and TIMs arent allowed to swing their Willies around in the pool either. Presumably in the change rooms you can get your lady dick and man breasts out freely in the ladies and gents room? So it's not all that double standards.

But yes, women who are uncomfortable with seeing peen after the 10:30am public swim session apparently need 'educating'. That wording is kind of chilling actually.

ShotsFired · 06/02/2018 07:55

"You may need to do some education work..."

Yeah because "(re-)education" is never a sinister approach.... Hmm Angry

NaturalWoman · 06/02/2018 07:19

And me. Not sure I could make it to Hampstead Heath but I'd love for it to happen.

And even if they suspected exactly what was going on, there's nothing they could say about it because 'transphobia'.

ChemistryGeek · 06/02/2018 07:16

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ridiculoussingle · 06/02/2018 06:46

Can we organise a mass swim? Let's all self id as male and go to the mens only pool in hampstead heath.

Broken11Girl · 06/02/2018 06:42

Total double standards, as everyone said.

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pisacake · 06/02/2018 06:36

"Honestly I can see the men kicking up a fuss about this as well. Either that or a tif getting attacked. "

This happened in a shelter, her degree of denial was quite sad.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4978220/Transgender-man-speaks-serial-sex-attacker-jailed.html

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Nousernameforme · 06/02/2018 06:30

To be fair it's no tits and dicks in the pool as standard. The only new thing is now tits and vulvas in the men's room and dicks in the ladies.

Honestly I can see the men kicking up a fuss about this as well. Either that or a tif getting attacked.

I do wonder if there will be some changes to the swim suit rules once some 6' bloke comes in in a two piece with his veg squeezing out the side. I wonder if they will single out tims or make it a rule for women

ridiculoussingle · 06/02/2018 06:25

We need to tweet them to tell them how transphobic their article is, comparing a tif breasts to a woman's breasts. They are make breasts, how violent of them them to compare them to female breasts. Seriously I'm going to complain. Only by making men uncomfortable are we going to get anywhere...

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pisacake · 06/02/2018 06:22

Yeah I don't understand that at all, this 'transman' has her tits out in the paper:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5324401/Trans-man-reveals-girlfriend-heterosexual-him.html

I'm sure the Daily Mail would pixellate a woman's breasts.

Also a man with gynaecomastia might be hard to distinguish from a transman who hasn't had a double mastectomy.

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CanIBuffalo · 06/02/2018 06:22

To be fair, there are a lot of men men who have bigger tits than me in the pool. What about making them cover up?

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