Lots of feminists on radio/TV today re Women's Aid/Refuges

Oh good, not just me who sees it then I had forgotten the surgery-denial bit!

This may be a bit of a stretch in the 'feminists on TV' category, but I'm currently watching Silence of the Lambs: a film in which a man desperately wants to be a woman, to the extent that he traps them and cuts off their skin to wear as his own.... hearteningly, he is at least portrayed as doing a Bad Thing.

I think the trans issue may be playing on my mind somewhat!!

It's telling, isn't it, wrt this whole issue of gender identity that India clearly identifies with men more than she does women.

This article was looking linked on Twitter in response to the LBC link

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

IW cannot do anything other than take the male view because IW is male. To take the female view is to be a feminist and once you recognise that some men are dangerous to women, well it's one tiny tiptoe over the line and then youre a terf.

@EmmyRoo - I think you are right. @lisamuggeridge3 on Twitter has been talking about this all day today and it's well worth a read of her feed - she goes a bit stream of consciousness but she really clarifies the dynamics at play.

IW I would call a transwoman (or would have been happy to, prior to seeing this performance). At least IW has had the surgery. I really do object to male bodies with penises in female spaces. Rape happens with a penis - whether the owner id's as a woman or not.

But I must admit, even I'm wondering now - given the male-entitled display on GMB.

I thought Karen was very brave to say that she thinks IW would be better off in a 'trans' space. It's hard to actually say stuff like that on live television, while sat next to the person.

Can you imagine IW in a women's refuge, given the behaviour in the BB house? It would be all me me me and barking "I AM A WOMAN" to traumatised women and children - and descriptions of the journey from male newsreader to "real woman".

EmyRoo,

You have expressed it very well. It is a bit frightening when you think about the freedom some of these trans/self IDrs have been given without any thought or cognisance of the effect some of them might have on women's lives/spaces/status.

Just awful. And the worst of them will get the publicity alright, and there is very little to be done, the law is on their side largely.

An awful vista.

Thumbs up Terftastic.

On another note it makes me shudder that fully transitioned people like IW (reassignment etc.) STILL spout the male line like she did today. It is just bizarre. But I am no longer surprised by anything anymore now.

We just need to keep our wits about us and fight the good fight.

They will never be women, Sorry about that, it is all to do with command and control.

Those who transition or self ID and just get on with it, great, they are protected by the law. It is those with a political activist agenda that I get the shivers about. And it will only get worse as time goes on, and more and more of women's spaces are infiltrated for nefarious reasons. That is the goal of many of them I fear.

Argh, trans identifying men, I mean, in my second paragraph... was going to write trans women, but they are not women.

No, virtual I don't think you are wrong, I think it is the only explanation. I am trying to tie it up with how and why coercive control is the way in which men enact domestic violence. Coercive control puts the power men used to have (when women were controlled by their menfolk and the state by law) into intimate relationships, despite the prevailing idea that men and women are equal. So, for a woman in an abusive relationship, the first hurdle is getting over what she believes about men and women in society (equal) and the shame that her relationship does not meet this ideal.

There is something similar going on here, at a more social and political level - there is an idea that men and women are afforded the same rights, yet trans-identifying women are eroding women's rights through a series of tactics that are straight out of control and brainwashing manuals. It relies on the same disparity between what one believes to be true and what one is experiencing.

I want to be able to express that better, but I am still trying to work it out.

Fucking hell Ova

Thats fucking horrific.

I don't agree with the death penalty but I would happily slowly torture that sick cunt to death.

They really hate us don't they?

We will forever be a seeries of fuck holes to these sick cunts.

Coming back to read and follow the links later.

The men's rights movement have hated women, and wanted to encroach on women's spaces for years/decades.

They've found the perfect cause to piggyback - they can actually erase biological women as a class, and gain access to our spaces - and abuse us, call us TERFs, and even threaten/be violent towards us if we object. It really is heaven-on-a-plate for the misogynists.

Not to mention the homophobia inherent in the TRA cause - do you know, I actually saw a lesbian on twitter the other day told that she needed to "find a new name to call herself, because lesbians like all women, even those with penises." Really.

virtualreality - you're spot on IMO. I couldn't have said it better.

That IW transcript needs to go on AIBu.

Piers Morgan signed off with "it's a complex issue."

No it really isn't. Women's refuges are for women. A trans gender woman is a biological man. Men should have no place in women's refuges. It really is that simple. If TIMs are such poor vulnerable victims why the hell don't they start their own refuges as women did?
They are acting with typical male entitlement - expecting women to do all the heavy lifting for them.

Also, with all the examples to hand of where things have gone horribly wrong - prisons, sports, voyeurism etc. why do those having to deal with India renta-gob not stamp on this "do you really think..." or "it's a tiny minority" gobshite she spouts and reel out example after example. Plus, it would play havoc with their need to be validated.

Jeez imagine being helped by India Willoughby. For one thing, you would never get a word in edgeways.

Women were becoming stronger and more free. So men decided they would try and do something about that.

Hence there is now a politicised personal choice available regarding gender self ID or recognition. Some of them will invade our spaces now, because they always wanted to, and now can.

Much of this has little to do with gender recognition, it has to do with the status of men and power over us so called REAL women. Poor little things, so self Id is one way to get back to normal WRT to the man/woman divide.

I am very fearful, and I am usually very strong or non committal, let them at it. With the law and political/quasi political movements behind them however, trans/self Id women will win if we are not careful. Not to sound a bit mad or anything, but it seems to me to be a movement contra biological women or something. I hope I am wrong.

Very rarely hear trans men invading male spaces or causing such a ruckus.

Have I read the whole thing wrong now, as I am so confused, dazed, baffled and sad about all this I may be over reacting somewhat.

I feel furious for Karen Ingala-Smith actually - who I have followed on twitter for years. She has dedicated her professional life to this - to collating statistics on VAW that the government won't, and raising awareness about domestic violence and women's issues.

How dare fucking IW start trumpeting that (s)he feels sorry for men ?

Sorry TheChampagneGalop

Someone had linked it tagging India and I felt it was such a clear cut message of this is what male violence looks like.

Please though don't anyone click unless they are sure they can bear it. I don't tend towards being sensitive but this utterly horrified me.

The world really has gone mad - I am nodding along with Piers Morgan. What on earth is happening here? (Though fortunately normal service was resumed when he started banging on about lesbian relationships - I found myself thinking, "ah you twat... even if you're right about transwomen in prison."

IW comes across as a completely ridiculous idiot. Who looks at Karen Ingala Smith's website and thinks "poor men being demonised."

OvaHere I just saw someone tweet that story - I don't think I can bear to read the details. That poor woman.

Words are really inadequate when there are men capable of doing something like that.

Exactly, DeleteorDecay.

There are women's shelters because women set them up. They're a relatively recent thing (decades) and before that, women were supposed to just put up and shut up when it came to domestic violence. Any govt funding they get is because women campaigned for it - and it's always under threat.

IW makes me sick. I can't believe IW is even given airtime after their performance on BB - I've rarely seen such a narcissist.

Only click on Ova's link if you feel strong. I want to cry now.