#itsallgoingpeaktrans

So there’s no longer any need for safe spaces for women ?
Seriously ?

Women’s refuges ?
Hospital wards ?
Changing rooms ?

Unfortunately due to Male pattern violence having a penis is the exact reason we need to have sex based safe spaces for biological women.

You sound like a racist misogynistic Katie Hopkins to me.

Have Been being the operative words.

I totally agree with safe spaces. I just don't think we have to segregate them based on the possession of a penis.

I've raised a feminist son. I'd feel far safer in any space with him than I would with women like Katie Hopkins or Anne Widdicombe

And why do you think segregation based on biology might have been required ?

Some people wore blackface, some people appropriate feminism created for black women.

Because some people seem determined to segregate based on biology?

it makes me feel sorry for the transcommunity that their struggle is being hijacked

This

We need to maintain some form of gatekeeping to prevent further hijack.

What a fucking insult to the experiences of black women.

So we should just let all biological males into female safe spaces ?

Why do you think we have female safe spaces in the first place ?

hipster I absolutely agree we need to keep the categories 'TIM' and 'rapey bastard' separate in our heads. And in law.

And I do agree that more trolling happens online than is likely to happen in rl. I just notice that the argument for self ID goes a) that rapey bastard was just posing as a TIM, real TIMs just want to have a wee like everyone else AND b) don't be stupid, it's totally unrealistic that rapey bastards would pose as TIMs to access women. Both cannot be true.

At the end of the day anyone self-iding as a TIM and being a rapey bastard is an argument against self-id. It doesn't actually matter who they really are or why they're doing it.

I'm a huge supporter of trans rights. possibly because unlike many of you I actually know quite a lot of trans people.

i am currently though having an argument with someone who is trying to tell me that childbirth is not a woman's issue because NAW.

He's obviously wrong. I am telling him so. But an idiot mouthing off, who isn't even trans but is just a MRA doesn't make me reach "peak trans" - it makes me feel sorry for the transcommunity that their struggle is being hijacked. it doesn't make me think that it's ok to say that transwomen are not women

Fighting against allowing transwomen access to changing rooms because of this would be like throwing black people off the buses again because of Malcolm X.

you cant judge an entire group of people on the extremes of that group. If people are wanking in changing rooms, they are committing a public order offence and deserve to be punished for that. but don't punish everyone who shares some other characteristics with them.

'Anyway, there's a bit where they pop a transgender into the frame as if this was an achievement for women '

That seriously pissed me off too. It seems like every mention of feminism has to include a big woo hoo 'celebratory' reference to transwomen these days. Well balls to that (haha)

I've been peak transed since forever, I never believed it back in the day [gosh, 30 years ago] when I worked with men who had gone through the process, they may have had female names, and pronouns but they always behaved like men. I worked in construction and understood that their journey was a hard one, but it was a different one. There is no pretending that any man can ever go through the same discrimination or journey as any woman.

They still had more pay and respect than any woman in the industry, and that is including women who were more qualified and experienced than they were. Women [including me] had to work so much harder and longer to 'prove' they could 'do' construction, whereas they were almost the hallowed ones, for daring to live outside the box. Utterly infuriating.

Agree with hipster

Hard to know if folk are trolling women and transfolk. The Mike guy on thst thread could have been anyone causing mischief.

Saying that, there’s plenty of other outrageous stuff.

The Labour fiasco of the moment with their cloying support of train wreck LM - the way they’ve turned on any woman who is critical of gender/identity politics -it’s left me incredulous, furious.

India Willoughby is just a knob full stop, disliked intensely by much of the trans community but India reflects a lot of the narcissism, the disregard for women, the bullying snd aggression, the self absorbed me, me, me attitude that serms so common in TW and activists.

For me - it was yhe IOC guidlines a few years ago. I followed the sports debate, tried to discuss it and was attacked again and again by TW for being a bigot.

Have baseball bat guy and fake blood T-shirt guy been identified? They are scary and identifiable. And with any luck, lock-up-able.

Look, all I’m saying is that there are loads of idiots who’d be all over this for fun, and it’s worth keeping that in mind.

I don’t disagree, but I do think there are far fewer of them than it might currently seem; unless it’s proven otherwise, I’m going to assume many or most of them are little teenage fuckwits who wouldn’t dare try that shit in reality in a million years, nor would they have motivation to do so. Some of those DIE IN A FIRE, TERFS-type posts are so repetitive and badly done, I’m just not buying it.

A lot of people assume that. Then they see the pics of the 40 year old men with the baseball bats and the fake blood shirts that say kill all terfs, and then another is exposed as a predator, and another, and they realize that rather than it being kids posing as adults it is for the most part adults posing as kids to groom children.

I can only meaningfully object to things I’m certain are real or are actually happening.

This doesn’t include possibly entirely made-up trolltastic social media content.

Failure to object is assumed to be acquiescence.

Again, I don’t disagree, but that problem won’t be solved by allowing ourselves to be wound up by a bunch of Billy No-mates taking the piss on Twitter.

The problem with the few horrible perverts argument is, I think, that the rest of the men frequently applaud and seem to think it is a very good joke on the women. Many men have the same attitude toward self ID. It isn't a problem for them and it serves the uppity women right.

And I’m most definitely not arguing for self-ID. In fact, I’m starting to agree with the recent poster who said rolling back the GRC seems a good idea in light of AGPs having got in on it.

But if true, this just proves that men who hate women will cheerfully pose as transgender in order to frighten and upset us. Why assume they won't come and troll us in person once they can enter women's spaces with ease?

I don’t disagree, but I do think there are far fewer of them than it might currently seem; unless it’s proven otherwise, I’m going to assume many or most of them are little teenage fuckwits who wouldn’t dare try that shit in reality in a million years, nor would they have motivation to do so. Some of those DIE IN A FIRE, TERFS-type posts are so repetitive and badly done, I’m just not buying it. It would only take a handful of sorry little specimens sitting in their rooms, tending a load of fake profiles to create an apparent tide. And then the posts get curated by the concerned, with no verification, which adds a layer of believability.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying there isn’t a dangerous minority.

The worse thing I ever read was the one where a bloke was going into the women s like dressed as a woman and wiping just a little bit of jizz on the toilet rolls.

The thing is, a small proportion (being kind) of men have really deviant behaviours that impact women. Voyeurism, AGP, flashing, and many others. Self ID, allowing men to share intimate spaces with women, gives them more opportunities. Retrogressive step.

I actually include porn in this category, though I think that it is so mainstream now few would agree.