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iamawoman · 04/02/2018 20:00

countrysquire.co.uk/2017/10/28/transinister/

Interesting and thoughtful article

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infamousT · 07/02/2018 13:31

FINAL WORD

Okay - rip me to shreds, feel free. Slur me, tar me and call into question my state of mind. Feel free.

I have done my research, looked at the figures and refuse to live my life online in a bubble of Confirmation Bias.

I state again that ALL aspects of the modern world that have the specious suffix of 'phobia' is connected. It is a political tactic, and it is politics - and in particular bad politicking that I am concerned with.

With regard to the Neomarxist plan to undermine classical Judeo/Christian 'Western Civilisation', I reiterate: If genetic women as a societal class are wiped out at the statistical level, then the very notions of Law and Order become meaningless - this should be obvious to anyone that can add up. The transgender agenda opens the door to all the very worst kind of men from the overtly fetishistic to the child killers self identifying as women, and being considered 'real' women - so be prepared for crime figures become not just skewed, but utterly nonsensical.

With regard to Islam - I reiterate: it is Mulsims, (especially women) that suffer most under this authoritarian ideology - and like it or not, we now actually have a de facto dual state running in which Islamic communities are exempt from following our laws - and as with the Halal butchery question, we are all being forced to eat this meat our children included - and we have absolutely no say in it. No one voted for it. It simply happened. It is women that suffer. I suggest you all read The Koran and The Hadiths. Draw your own conclusions. Understand the difference between Wahhabi, Salafi and Suffi. Understand the concepts of Taqiyyah, Jizyah and Kuffar.

With regard to LGBT, I reiterate: by using the transgender agenda, they have fully adopted postmodernism, and therefore Neomarxism, and are targeting children through the education system for a deep seated indoctrination and brainwashing. Their really rather fascistic targeting of Christians leaves me cold. It is premeditated and carried out with malice aforethought. It is fascistic - according to dictionary definitions.

I reiterate: all of these aspects of modern Britain have a 'phobia' attached to those that dare show the temerity to question what is going on. This has created raft of thought crimes and if you haven't read 1984, now is the time to do so.

With regard to my credentials, I reiterate: I have been online since 1996 and speak directly with people across the world - as a professional in the music industry, I produced bands from across the world - from Texas to South Africa and right across the country. As a digital media professional, I worked with many Blue Chip organisations - specifically in the financial sector.

I have done two years of research, read all the relevant books, studied the history - and forgive me if I have made some extremely worrisome connections and drawn some quite horrific conclusions.

I like facts and figures, always double check my sources and have spoken to some truly terrifying characters from right across the political spectrum.

I do not subscribe to any form of identitarian politics, I am a Classical English Liberal. I am an individual.

I have taken as my starting point where I found myself 5 years ago - and along with my 'lived experience' over that time, I have extrapolated the societal trends and arrived at an image of a possible future that chills me to the bone.

I follow - in great depth - politics from across the English speaking world and see the same patterns being repeated from the USA and Canada to Europe and Australasia.

I have been following and commenting on Global Geopolitics for a decade, but like every aspect of my life now - seen my once respected career and reputation trashed, my character smeared wit every slur under the sun, and along with being Doxxed, abused, sexually assaulted, spat on and threatened, and seen my health suffer as a consequence that has left me little more than house-bound for a year now.

I have touched raw nerves, induced Cognitive Dissonance, and been vilified as a result - so, please forgive me if I am somewhat tetchy.

I see all of these drives being connected - some used to call it the New World Order and it is now referred to in many circles as the Deep State - I call it the Rainbow Reich.

Dissent is not allowed, compelled speech is the order of the day - see Canadian Bill C16 - and a route direct to prison for thought crime has become established in Law - along with what are ostensibly Blasphemy Laws - but only for Political Islam - there is no 'hate speech' for Jews, Christians, Hindus or anyone else for the matter of that.

With regard to what is actually happening in Sweden now - I might suggest actually talking to some Swedish people - you may just find it enlightening. With regard to Mainstream Media, I contest that you are being lied to. A reliance on 'services' such as BBC fact-checker and Snopes is myopic at best. We have never known so much propaganda - and on THAT score I suggest you read "propaganda' by Ed Bernays - it is the blueprint for manufacturing thought.

So, go on - decry my all you want. Write me off. Heap the slurs on me - it is nothing I haven't already been through.

I'm inquisitive, ask awkward questions and seek answers.

I cannot stand by and act apologist for paedophilla, nor the organised subjugation of women and girls.

I do not believe in coincidence, and I follow the money.

I reiterate: everything that has 'phobia' attached is connected. It is designed to erode your rights to Freedom of Speech - and thought, and expression.

History has aught me at least, the lesson that hose of an authoritarian bent shall flock to any ideology that allows them to act like tyrants.

Globalist Neoliberalism, Postmodern Neomarxism and Political Islam are all intrinsically Totalitarian, and the tech giants of Silicon Valley seem dead set on enforcing this mind-set.

Money. Power. Totality.

So, wind back 10 years - think about where we were - now wind forward 10, 20 and 50 years.

Read the books. Study the statistics and draw your own conclusions.

...and smear and slur me all you like - call me names. No, really - do.

My role is to say the unsayable whilst it is still possible to do so. To provide food for deep thought.

Please, just bear in mind - I could very well get killed for saying any of this, and am likely to end up in prison if the Culture War is lost.

I have risked everything to actually 'speak truth to power', and am already suffering the consequences.

Finally - I reiterate - I desperately want to be wrong. It terrifies me that I might, just, be right.

So, go on: tear me to shreds if that makes you feel better. I am past caring... for myself. It's the very future I am trying to protect from dark forces - and if I AM utterly insane, I shall fade into obscurity.

Frighteningly, exactly the same shall also happen to me if I am right.

...and i hope to God that I am wrong.

*>OUT

KateMumsnet · 07/02/2018 11:54

Hi all - we've had lots of reports about this thread and we're just taking a look now. Can we remind everyone to stick well within our TGs to avoid deletion of individual posts or of the entire thread. Apart from anything else, when we delete a post for a line which breaks them, the rest of the post goes pouf too, which is frustrating for all.

Please be particularly wary of making blanket generalisations about an entire section of the population. Hyperbole frequently puts posters on the wrong side of the TGs.

frogsoup · 07/02/2018 11:31

Trafig I'm not sure what you are asking if I'm honest. I agree with you, I think bad things happen because there is hatred of difference. Which is why I find talking in terms such as 'your daughters will all be wearing burkas in 20 years' so offensive, because it is this same language that people going round ripping veils off women use. I'm not suggesting the op is wanting to do that, but you can't either be blind to the effects of that kind of language. Ditto stuff about the decline of western civilization and cultural marxism. Whose cause does it help if you end up sounding like the alt-righters who also spout this kind of stuff? Like Wizard, I would suggest that it is naive to ignore the kind of intellectual pedigree this kind of idea has, because it really isn't pretty. You ask what I stand for? Like us all, I think, tolerance, peace and freedom. I will fight against ideas that I think work against that, and suggestions that civilisation is under threat from dark powers linked to particular religions and immigrants coming from particular places, for me, comes very firmly under that heading.

Datun · 07/02/2018 11:16

A Woman's Place UK has organised a London meeting. The more people who go, the more it will be covered in the press.

27th of February, 7pm. £5.98.

Venue to be announced.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3160410-Womans-Place-UK-meeting-in-London-27-Feb

GuardianLions · 07/02/2018 11:14

you have to understand where ideas are coming from and what their logic is

That is exactly what I am interested in doing.

I don't think mudslinging helpful in achieving that, do you?

TheWizardofWas · 07/02/2018 11:09

'not enjoying the combative "You're a nutter!", "Well you're a handmaid" kind of exchange'

Sorry but you have to understand where ideas are coming from and what their logic is - otherwise you end up supporting things that want to exterminate you too. Not good enough to skim read when it is so important.

Traffig · 07/02/2018 11:09

@Frogsoup
So what do you think is happening? I'd be interested in your personal views, I might agree. I don't know what you believe though, just what you hate.

I've met good and decent people of all cultures and beliefs, as has everyone here I'm sure. I've also been the subject of vile hatred because of my own background.

The Manchester attack ( for example) was an extremist attack on the life style of young women and young(gay) men. The homeless person, the hero of the hour, has just gone down for six years for stealing from the dead and dying.

The Finsbury Park Mosque attack was an extremist attack against people quietly at prayer.

Going back...
I was nearby when the Admiral pub nail bomb went off in London in 1999 and the Brick Lane bombings too. Such interminable hatred of people who are different.

Currently, I am waiting to hear about the sentencing of Ethan Stables for an planned machete attack on a Gay Bar in Barrow.

The world around me seems to be full of people trying to close down debate, and beliefs and to kill and silence people for being different. I've lived with this all my life. It's about power and domination. Imo.

Tell me why YOU think these things happen?

As long as no one threatens the future of those I love, they can do what they like, say what they like and I will try and understand their viewpoints.

GuardianLions · 07/02/2018 11:01

indeed somebody even apologised to the OP for my rudeness!!!

Hi FrogSoup that was me. I am aware that T was invited into this thread (and isn't actually the op) and also is not posting anonymously, so I think there is an unequal power dynamic going on. It feels rude to me when anonymous people start insulting a named person like that - it isn't really fair. Especially when they have experienced doxxing, faeces in the letterbox, etc. And you as MN regular are more familiar with what is culturally expected in this forum over T, who was invited in and I doubt had a chance to get familiar with the T&Cs. Though I obviously don't support threatening to find your IP address and am glad that has been taken down.

I know you have been freaked out by what has been said, but I think your censorious reaction wasn't polite, put it that way. But I find your take on things interesting and would appreciate you sharing it. I am not enjoying the combative "You're a nutter!", "Well you're a handmaid" kind of exchange helpful. It is wasting my brain. So I skim read those bits.

infamousT · 07/02/2018 11:01

The IP thing was merely an expression of the fact that I am tech savvy - nothing more... it's been done to me and I consequently leave mine open as I am not hiding - this is my real name on here, and I am standing up to forces that have already targeted me for visceral personal abuse.

It's a high stakes game now - and I have enemies, and I am sure that people here shall attempt to smear me. It's nothing new.

Personally, I'm not bloody interested - that kind of stuff was all the rage 5 years ago, and is easily circumvented with any manner of cheap apps - it it worries you, get one. In fact - I'd recommend it.

My game is different - I am standing alone in front of a row of rainbow tanks.

You can judge me on one sentence blurted out in an irate way if you want. Makes no difference to me... personally I have far better things to do with my time to be arsed with all that cloak and dagger stuff. Which is why I do not hide my IP and use my real name.

This is a high stakes game. And I won't back down.

I make the point again - that in every single case of these people sweeping to power, people die.

120,000,000 last century.

My record is open for all watchers to examine - I've never Doxxed anyone - and never would - it's simply not my style... as having BEEN Doxxed and had delivered faeces I can assure you that it's only low-lifes that indulge in such infantile nonsense.

I was making a point - nothing more.

And with that - I think I'll sign out of this interesting little foray - I feel I've provided some food for thought, the rest is now up to you.

The clock is ticking.

Thank you for the overwhelming positive support, but I honestly don't think that I really have a right to be here... I'm not a Mum.

So, thanks all - take care, do your thing. Good luck.

AngryAttackKittens · 07/02/2018 10:53

Yeah, I think Infamous should be able to say whatever he wants (as should everyone else), but should also expect disagreement and not respond with threats of doxxing. No censorship needed, just a respecting of some basic boundaries (disagreement fine, arguing fine, threats not acceptable).

Justabunchofcunts · 07/02/2018 10:51

I also don't believe frogsoup appears to be a paid shill, I had similar thoughts and am certainly not one.

Justabunchofcunts · 07/02/2018 10:50

I agree in freedom of speech. I think some of the things infamous says make sense, others make no sense to me. I don't think IP threats are OK.

Has anyone else googled the suggested phrase above?

OvaHere · 07/02/2018 10:44

I agree this thread has taken a bit of a strange direction since last night.

I found a lot of the earlier posts interesting and still do to some extent and whilst infamous is a very engaging writer I think they have over reached a bit for their audience - a feminism board on MN.

I don't think you are anything like a paid shill frogsoup. I'm sorry you feel uncomfortable.

That said I'm not fond of censorship of thoughts at a basic level because it's exactly what would be used against all the women here trying to get their voices heard against trans ideology. It's hard to know where a line should be drawn about what people can freely discuss.

Most humans are probably guilty of a bit of hypocrisy on this score depending on where your personal politics and opinions lie.

infamousT · 07/02/2018 10:43

More good points. When I first started speaking out about where this was headed I was called a tin-foil hatter, funny, huh?

Postmodern Neomarxism crept into the LGBT community at around the time that the 'T' was changed from 'transsexual' to 'transgender'.

Peeps got suckered BIG TIME. Booking society on a massive guilt trip, they STOLE the narrative of truscum transsexuals like me (and I have spoken with many of them - and can assure you their notion of Gender Dysphoria is a fetish in itself with no basis in the harsh realities of actually living with it); they co-opted that narrative, twisted it and threw genuine transsexuals under the bus. Then they went after the Lesbians, and now they are after the women - and if you cave, it'll be men next - what do you think the whole 'toxic masculinity' trope is all about? That's just straight men that like to be straight.

It's the specious philosophy that on one hand would deny a working class woman the fair employment of being, say, an F1 grid girl - whist at one in the same time encouraging the notion of prostitution (sorry 'sex work') as being not only viable, but laudable.

Unhinged.

I'm a musician, and was about in the 80's; and there is a link there too - we no longer have a thriving collection of music based youth subcultures anymore - the music biz got neutered because they didn't want punk happening again - and all that natural, youthful rebellion and angst has been warped and weaponised by the Neomarxists - ALL teenagers 'hate their parents', and most of us grow out of it - no longer, that hatred is now stoked so high that kids abandon their families altogether and join the so-called 'glitter family'.

Personally I find the 10 year old drag queen 'Lactatia' quite the affront, grinding and twerking in front of an audience of mostly male, gay adults - for money. It's more akin to pimping IMHO, and I don't believe that these performances aren't fuelling some sordid sexual fantasies in the minds of certain onlookers.

In Afghanistan, it is custom to take effeminate young boys and dress them as girls to be passed about for sexual gratification - but heck, don't draw any allusions from that - cuz y'know - all cultures are equal.

Right?

This whole thing is a Neomarxist power grab - and when I say they are coming for your kids - it is the postmodernists I am talking about - and it is indoctrination and brainwashing that I am referring to.

Look for the APPROVED Youtube video of parents discussing masterbation with their own children and showing them dildos.

...and that was quite a while ago now... there is an absolute plethora of 'pedosexual' content on there, sickeningly.

Personally, I think that there's a beauty in the special wide eyed wonder of childhood - and that explicit sexual knowledge has no place in it. But the current music industry seems Hell bent on becoming ever more overtly pornographic with every passing year.

This current generation rift makes the so-called gap of the 1960's look positively paltry by comparison.

I realise Neoliberalism and Neomarxism appear to make peculiar bed-fellows - but the evidence is plain to see, and the movement to trans an entire generation and alienate them from their families is becoming a societal juggernaut.

The targeting of the very young is beyond nefarious.

This situation has seen me wholeheartedly abandon the Left as this seems to be their agenda now - and they couldn't care less about the working class - and their daughters.

Maybe i should just "shut up for the sake of diversity".

For those coming late to this game - understand that it's been going on for years - behind your backs; with express intent of driving so hard and so fast that by the time you wake up to what's going on - it would already be too late to stop it.

The tail wags the dog, and not only will women everywhere go under the bus - they'll reverse it back over you just to make sure.

I trust everyone has emailed their MP this morning? No?

frogsoup · 07/02/2018 10:31

@AngryAttackKittens thank you Flowers

frogsoup · 07/02/2018 10:28

I bloody hope they can't Justabunch! Still a nasty and intimidatory tactic all the same.

AngryAttackKittens · 07/02/2018 10:27

And I missed the IP thing because when someone starts ranting about that kind of stuff I tune them out the same way you would a shouty drunk at closing time, so skimmed that part. Nope, not having that, will pay more attention and call it out if it happens again.

Justabunchofcunts · 07/02/2018 10:26

Can people do that just from posts on here? The IP address search?

Justabunchofcunts · 07/02/2018 10:25

I don't think there are any links between trans activism, immigration and Islam frogsoup. I didn't notice you being threatened with an IP address search but if so I agree that is absolutely not on flowers

Second this.

frogsoup · 07/02/2018 10:23

Thank you Tallullah and angryattack, that helps.

The post re the IP address has now been deleted Talulah - I was however relieved that there were so many people who reported it that MNHQ had to mass-mail us to tell us about it!

AngryAttackKittens · 07/02/2018 10:21

I agree that the immigration/end of western civilization stuff is ridiculous. I've decided that arguing with transsinister about it would be a complete waste of time, and thus moved on to more interesting/relevant stuff.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 07/02/2018 10:20

I don't think there are any links between trans activism, immigration and Islam frogsoup. I didn't notice you being threatened with an IP address search but if so I agree that is absolutely not on Flowers

frogsoup · 07/02/2018 10:16

@TheWizardOfWas This thread has been profoundly shocking to me. The OP has said, in black and white, 'if you don't act... in 20 years all your daughters will be wearing burkas'!!!!!!!! Yet people are still piling in saying ooh, how interesting and insightful. I have been a staunch supporter of the anti-trans activism threads on mumsnet - I was peak transed by this board - but this thread has been a real wtf moment for me.

Despite being aggressively accused of being a shill, in the pay of momentum, and being threatened with an IP address search (all tactics that I'd associate with trans rights supporters), I've received not a jot of support from anybody, and indeed somebody even apologised to the OP for my rudeness!!! I feel like i've dropped down the rabbit hole.

I don't want to engage with the OP, who frightens me, any further - I have not read any of his replies since my last post and I will continue to ignore any further ones - but since starting a new thread would be deemed a TAAT, I thought I'd have one last try at asking - apart from you wizard, are there other women on this board who think making links between trans activism, immigration, islam and the end of western civilisation is beyond the pale? And if so, please could you speak up? I've been on mumsnet over ten years now and I've never been so horrified at a thread.

AngryAttackKittens · 07/02/2018 10:04

Some of the individuals currently calling themselves trans women (the dude from Rise Above springs to mind) are probably the ones who used to beat up the lovely androgynous boys in eyeliner when they were at school.

sportinguista · 07/02/2018 09:55

It's really about the fact that it's not all lovely androgynous boys in eyeliner isn't it? It's about the realities of what the people it actually covers are, such as the transgender sex offenders and fetishists which is a far cry from that.

Yes most women I suppose have been bogged down with trying to get by. I personally have had a hard few years and it takes most of my energy to do what I have to each day. Also unless you are directly involved you won't see it.

Truth is I don't know what to do or how we stop this beyond standing up and being counted and most importantly keeping on discussing no matter how hard it gets.