Tamsin sutherland

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This was really obvious in CBB. India, like so many of these middle aged born again transwomen they don't seem to realise that women over 40 are truly the invisible bottom rung of society. India seemed to think they were equivalent to Ashley and Jess when really it would be more Rachel and Maggie.

The problem with India Willoughby is she is experiencing what it is like to live as an older woman. Past the flush of youth we slowly notice ourselves become more and more invisible to society generally.

If like me you’ve had your fill of trying to be a pretty little thing, then actually that feels pretty good. I am in a committed relationship with two small children. I don’t need validation from men that I look okay on a day to day basis, I know I look a bloody mess. But I think if I were someone that had fantasised about living as a woman for a long time I’d probably be pretty excited about putting the make up and heels on and getting myself a few glances. Sadly I think she’s come outside blinking into the sunshine to find out that most of the men are staring at women twenty years younger.

We used to call these people 'gay transvestites', and simply - that is exactly what they are. They are remarkably cruel to those they don't like - but heck, you all already knew that, didn't you?

Don't we know it..though personally most abuse I have had comes from 'transbians' (straight males) and the most vicious of it is when you mention anything to do with female homosexuality, especially if you happen to say that no dicks are allowed.

Agreed conservativeuterus

I know some of them. Ideologues... fanatics.

There's good money in it too. I was ordered by a UK Family Court to 'detransition' in 2003 when I won custody of my son - I agreed wholeheartedly, my son was 10 and he needed his Dad. My responsibility.

The Judge said that a child of that age didn't need to know about such things... that it would be confusing. I happen to agree.

The case, though - does set a legal precedent for anyone wanting to avoid having their kids indoctrinated against their will - and I am more than happy to provide details.

Rowdywoman - yes, its deeply insidious, but I live in hope that people will come to their senses.

I have no intention of sending my child into mainstream education, and even more so now that this bullshit is being peddled in schools.

conservativeuterus
Sadly schools are deep down this rabbit hole.
Trans pressure groups have been training in schools for years. The teacher's unions and the NAHT all have trans policies written by the pressure groups. I suspect that many young teachers will be promoting that "a transgender woman is a woman".

Schools are meant to be politically neutral but these groups promoting eugenics / medical experimentation of children have been given a free pass to promote their propaganda - people think they're about anti bullying and being kind, but they're not. They're grooming this generation of children.

One small glimmer of hope for me is that British people have a solid history of pushing back, this in itself isn't always a perfect or well thought through thing e.g Brexit but it is evidence of the above.

The danger of course is that pushback could let in some unpleasant right wing facism and we end up as a ping pong between far right and far left.

I'm definitely a Little Owen Jones Excluding Feminist.

I quite like the idea of the acronym OJEF, pronounced Oh, Jeff!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain I was at the 'protest'. When they started burning copies of the paper in the street, I asked:

"What next? Her books?!"

I recognise fascism when I see it. I've been persona non grata ever since. A dangerous heretic.

they hung Julie Burchill out to dry wit malice aforethought

I wondered at the time what the hell was going on there

I wish I could be famous for telling everyone I'm a woman. And hoping it penetrates.

I feel like India might have started off this way before realising that just getting on with your life as a women does not bring with it glory and great TV gigs. I also get the impression India feels they should be at the top of the hierarchy having had a full surgical transition (and I get why) but has failed to realise they are at least 5 years too late for that now the female penis folk are running the show.

I agree with this.

I also think India is reeling from one major oversight - that women aren't all that highly regarded or respected and whatever privileges she assumed she'd receive as a member of 'the fairer sex' haven't materialised. Because they don't exist. If she feels she is being overlooked, ignored, sidelined, belittled, reviled, denied... welcome to being a woman.

I found the observation interesting that this seems to be mostly in the anglosphere. I found everything else interesting too but this kind of stood out for me. I follow the German media and besides the occassional trans-article in Bento, Spiegel's terrible youth magazine, there just isn't any coverage of trans issues, unless I'm looking in the wrong places.
What is the situation in other non-anglosaxon countries?

Thanks again ladies. Provoking some deep thinking about the current state of affairs is all I can hope to do. I have no answers really - but I did see the rise of the transgender movement from the inside and have consistently pushed back for 5 years now - it's fairly safe to say I am generally hated for my stance.

I extrapolate, that's my problem - and I watch what's happening and imagine what the outcome shall be, and all I see is something truly awful for the future. It seems to me that the LGBT agenda seems dead set on sexualising children and getting them obsessed with sex at as early and age as they can - and I'm not entirely convinced now by the trope of 'born this way'. It could be 'inception'.

I simply don't think that kids should be indoctrinated in any way shape or form, it does them all a disservice - and last years Teen Vogue article encouraging anal sex in girls seems clear to me that they seek to switch the primary erotic target from genitalia to the anus, we all have one after all, and that alone would turn everyone kinda gay.

Eugenics. That's what this all is in my opinion, and I don't agree with it. There is a definite agenda, it's postmodernism, and it's a clear and present threat to society.

The so-called trans community is at best 1% of the population, and the tail now wags the dog... and our politicians seem reluctant to push back for fear of the nonsense word 'transphobia'.

We used to call these people 'gay transvestites', and simply - that is exactly what they are. They are remarkably cruel to those they don't like - but heck, you all already knew that, didn't you?

I'm definitely a Little Owen Jones Excluding Feminist.

Moi aussi. Ditto the rest of the Oxbridge Proletariat.

I'm definitely a Little Owen Jones Excluding Feminist.

Welcome infamousT Thought provoking stuff, really hope you'll stick around.

I think the UK is an OwneJonesophobic nation. People are sick to death with this (and his) vapid Lefty diatribes.

And YES to this

Welcome infamousT your posts have been very thought provoking and quite terrifying.

I agree with your thoughts on postmodernism especially about the breakdown of societal structure. We are already seeing attacks on what it means to be a mother and father and the language used to describe them, mostly the former but the latter hasn't totally escaped either.

I hope you continue to visit this board from time to time.

AngryAttackKittens the hair is a dead giveaway - they might as well be wearing armbands... really.

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