Women’s Aid considers employing self-declared transwomen [i.e. men] in women's shelters

I agree girlscout. If the old fashioned transexuals are just as horrified at these developments as claimed, they need step up and do something about it. The fact that they are not, shows to me that there is precious few of them or that they are happy with the activism.

I've lost any sympathy I had, as they have shown that nothing is enough, they have to keep pushing those boundaries. And as the trans agenda gets pushed and pushed, more women will think like me.

I'm assuming that transmen/self id transmen are allowed into women's refuges still on account of the fact that they are still biologically women and a man raping a woman is a man raping a woman regardless of the clothes she is wearing or the name she is using?

Because if we recognise a transman is a woman for the purposes of women's refuges etc, then we should recognise that transwomen are men for the same purposes.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/equality-act-guidance-for-charities/equality-act-guidance-for-charities

• it is not a legal duty but is unclear.

There is also no duty to carry out an Equality Impact Assessment although it would be good practice. Womens Aid need to be asked if they are carrying one out and then asked what template/ model they are using.

The best hope of challenging all this madness is through the legal system where it can be scrutinised in a much more forensic way.

LangCleg

Totally agree. I know there are a few speaking out, but from reading the Janice Turner article yesterday, sounds like she's getting a lot of letters from 'honorable' trans people, they need to speak up!

I RESENT the enormous energy this takes from women, from the arguments with TRAs who just simply expect it, to the 'what about the menz' derails whenever women try to articulate our reality to the stupid fluffy headed man pleasing lib fems, we are exhausting ourselves here trying to hold back the tide, and we are on our own.
Tranwomen are MEN. To all intents and purposes this is a men's issue, it's bugger all to do with women. Where the hell are the men as well? Men I talk to privately get it pretty quickly, and yet ... absolutely SOD ALL.

Going for a soak in the bath to quietly fume.

I don't think the law currently allows what they are proposing (not that this has stopped many, many organisations who are merrily ignoring their legal duties...).

The law allows exemptions, in limited circumstances, for organisations to employ only women for a particular role where it is a general occupational requirement. This can include TIMs who have legally changed their sex. As far as I am aware, there is no provision in law to restrict a role to women only 'plus a few men that we have decided to let apply'. Either the role is for women only (including TIMs with a GRC) or it is open to all men.

Isn't part of the issue that non AGP, dysphoric transsexuals (as they were once known) are such a small group that even if each one spoke up it would be a drop in the ocean?

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to transgender becoming a thing referrals to the (one?) UK clinic for dysphoria were about 90 per year. Not all those 90 presumably would go on to transition.

Current ‘case by case’ policy seems sensible to me.
I’m sure there are transwomen in abusive relationships who need refuge and it’s already happening anyway.

However this new policy review appears to be driven by a political aim to allow transwomen to enter women’s refuges ‘no questions asked.’ And you wonder what the motivation is for this.

So it’s up to WA to spend significant time and resources on managing this situation. I suspect women will not be the winners. I don’t envy WA having to negotiate this at all.

GirlScout72 I said similar somewhere here yesterday. I have trans friends myself and I've had trenchant conversations with them about this. Women are in an existential fight. We don't have the time, the capacity or the resources to work for anyone but ourselves in this crisis. And if this silent majority of sensible trans don't want the extremists speaking for them, they are going to have to organise and speak out in larger numbers than the tiny handfuls currently doing so. I realise it's scary - but let's face it, not as scary as it is for women, who are being doxxed, reported to employers, threatened, etc.

Sorry that should say NON AGP TRANSSEXUALS. Correction.

And where the actual F*ck are the non dysphoric transsexuals? I get that they are keeping their heads down and avoiding villification just like women have been, but FFS if they identify WITH us (not AS us) then they really really need to speak up now. Their entire movement is infested with gender tourists, posh kids playing at oppression and fetishist homophobic MRAs.

Whilst I have sympathy, I am rapidly losing sympathy for their inaction. Why is it just us holding the line (with a handful of notable exceptions, Miranda et al)????

I am still reeling so haven't rtft.

But it is such a huge premeditated stitch-up.

Taking over Women's Studies in universities and making it Gender Studies
Filling a generation of minds with pomo bullshit and making entitled males feel like 'victims' of feminism.
Releasing these brainwashed fantasists into the world to undo every feminist achievement from the inside.

Mwaahahaha

I now have actual hate in my heart for all these brainwashed 'right on' idiots and their 'trans' antifeminist soldiers. I feel sick.

I am wondering if this is about MONEY. It usually is. I'm wondering if this funding led. Didn't something similar happen in Wearside and all four shelters closed because they said no?

And the co chairs

Femi Otitoju and Mary Mason (Co-Chairs)
Women’s Aid Federation of England,
PO BOX 3245
Bristol
BS2 2EH

Contact details for the CEO of Women's Aid:

Katie Ghose
CEO Women's Aid Federation of England
PO Box 3245
Bristol
BS2 2EH

The general email address is: [email protected]

No, no, no. This is awful. I'm writing directly to them with a copy of the article about the sex offender in the Canadian refuge. I'll write to my MP again too.

They have the Equalities Act 2010 on their side. They must centre women's needs not the insane demands of a bunch of transcult bullies. NO PENISES IN WOMEN'S REFUGES.

The sky will not fall in if you say no to these utter wankers.

The law, honesty, and decent people support sex segregation in women's refuges!!

People with gender studies qualifications on government funded salaries calling themselves professional feminists. Have no understanding of the activism of women which brought these services into being. Now they’re just part of the corporate charity sector. I’m sure they all meet and congratulate each other on their progressiveness at various conferences and dinners. Back to grassroots activism to make real change.

This. Exactly.

Time to go local, fellow women. Find small, women-only orgs and charities in your local area. Support them. Make it clear WHY they are getting your cash. Volunteer if you can.

Oh ffs, I too will be stopping my regular donation and telling them why. Will look at alternatives to fund

One of my first peak trans moments years back was this person who kept Vancouver Rape Relief in litigation for years

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Nixon_Rape_Relief_Case

Remember we may lose this battle, but the war for women’s rights is ages old and ongoing, and we won’t stop fighting that. We keep speaking up. We keep organising. We will never be bullied into silence.

their latest post is about taking up refuge workers' time hassling them about trans inclusion.

Utter disrespect for the service those people are providing. Utter disrespect for the women in need of those services. No, disrupt the service because it's not focused on TRAs, and unless it is its worthless. Pathological.

With the benefit of hindsight you can trace the rot beginning to set in back when women's studies segued into gender studies in Higher Ed. I'll admit I never gave it much thought years back but here we are.

cromeyellow0 I think the issue with things like this is that there is no clear definition on what 'part of a process to become a woman' means.

I'd imagine that the majority of people will assume it means they are receiving psychiatric interventions/support and are part way through a process of physically/hormonally transitioning. That they are talking about troubled people who have committed their lives to 'living as a woman' (whatever that means to them).

We read it and we know that it includes men who might not even bother having a shave and putting on a dress and who sits on his sofa in the evening, cock in hand, wanking to heterosexual porn. And worse.

Also, those figures are from 2016. I'd be interesting to see what a study conducted tomorrow would find.

LangCleg Agree 100%. People with gender studies qualifications on government funded salaries calling themselves professional feminists. Have no understanding of the activism of women which brought these services into being. Now they’re just part of the corporate charity sector. I’m sure they all meet and congratulate each other on their progressiveness at various conferences and dinners. Back to grassroots activism to make real change.

I don't want to link as the author will trace it back but in Scotland there's a website called 1000 flowers (word rather than digits) and their latest post is about taking up refuge workers' time hassling them about trans inclusion.
I think partly because criticism of self declaration centres around women's shelters (as women there are so vulnerable) tras then focus hugely on refuges and pressure them.

MorrisZapp Agree completely. I’m in Scotland too. Finding all this faux progressive virtue signalling from e erywhere quite oppressive. But there are many women against it. See the Women’s Place Uk event in Edinburgh on 14th Feb. Yes, I think we’ve lost the self id battle, but we can still fight for sex as a protected characteristic to mean something in the form of whatever exemptions we can get.