Women’s Aid considers employing self-declared transwomen [i.e. men] in women's shelters

Maybe I'm gender fluid and just haven't realised it yet...

How the fuck does 'changing your gender day by day' even work?

What one day I wear a dress, paint my nails and wear a flower in my hair and the next I wear jeans, DMs and drink beer?

Cos if so, that describes me!

Thank you for the information, sorry if I came across dim.
I'm so angry with it this morning, trying to catch up with everything
And yes @GirlScout72 I will be contacting them

DrinksWine

There will be a coordinated campaign, we just need to get our bearings. Two things, WA HQ set the overall tone of policy but shelters are individual organisations, so they are like the umbrella.

Secondly, we need to find out if they are trying to get a 'feel' for what women think about this (ie being canny now ahead of the juggernaut looming) or have drunk the KoolAid as that will inform how we go about any coordinated efforts. But for now by all means write and log your objections.

Woman's Place on FB and twitter good places to follow, as is the FairPlay for Women website.

Gender Self identification drinks. So a male saying he is a woman mean that he is one

I read my employer's trans policy this week. It says that if someone is in transition that they may be fluid from one day to the next and thereby choose, for example, which toilet to use on a daily basis. It includes a quote from Stonewall to the effect that the person in transition will know which toilet to use depending on how they're feeling on the day. The policy also seems to take the view that a person is in transition, and therefore may be recognised as the opposite gender as well as their own, from the moment he or she declares it so - no consideration to be given of "is this person genuinely transitioning or not, or simply playing the system?
I do feel a lot of this is about deleting women as a group.

Sorry again , but what's self ID?

Are there refuges which already allow TIMs to work in them? I looked at my local Women's Aid refuge and it features some job adverts. I looked at them and the job description and they aren't specifying female applicants.

And of course there will be no predators who self ID to gain access to vulnerable women. No no no, that would never happen

Jesus, I'm so fucking mad.

All you fence sitters lurking, it's time to speak up

Refuge funding has a lot to do with this. Budgets will be decimated by the housing benefit changes. Add to that refuges delivering commissioned services for local/ health authorities. To retain that funding they have to deliver services as laid down to them, not as they might want. I know of a refuge that stands to have to close down half its spaces because of this. Because refuges aren’t independently funded they are very vulnerable to the agendas of others.
Having said that my sister and I are active enthusiastic fundraisers for our local refuge, she’s raised thousands, and neither of us would be happy to continue if they adopted self ID.

Same here GetDownDog

Read this and I'm fuming. I'm new to a feminist thread, so excuse me.
Has anyone started a petition yet or is it too early?
I've been going through the threads this morning and shocked. I admit , I've not really ever read them.

I imagine Sally Hitchiner couldn't be openly gender critical if she wanted to be.
Her position might dictate that she has to appear open and welcoming to all.
I daren't post anything peak trans in my FB page as it may jeopardise my job. I can talk trans here, with people I know are gender critical, on Twitter, but in RL where transwomen are women is taking hole, I would be too scared.

A transexual is a TIM. They are all males who identify as trans. What's the difference?

Oh come on, we are told on one hand that the vast majority of TIM are lovely and horrified about TRA

Are you talking about TIMs or are you talking about old skool transsexuals who have transitioned and hold GRCs?

Because it's a little bit like asking why half a dozen Shih Tzus won't take on a pack of wolves. After all, they're all canines.

I think we really do need to get better at defining the terms of this discussion, it's our language too.

Yes absolutely. I wonder if fairplayforwomen/A Woman's Place could be utilised as a lobby group for style guides and IPSO guidance? I would definitely donate to that.

Does anyone know if the A Woman's Place has charitable status or might move in that direction because I think many of us would consider direct debit support as with other charities?

Looking at how well the crowdfunder has done the support is there but I would really like something that is cross party and politically neutral in that sense.

Oh come on, we are told on one hand that the vast majority of TIM are lovely and horrified about TRA. Yet they make up so a small proportion of the trans population to be voiceless?

This is just awful. It’s announcements like these that really make me fear for the safety of women. We are being erased. But please, ladies, don’t let this fear stop you. More of us are being awakened to this every day. We must keep fighting.

If the old fashioned transexuals are just as horrified at these developments as claimed, they need step up and do something about it. The fact that they are not, shows to me that there is precious few of them or that they are happy with the activism

Tbh, they aren't treated any differently to women by the TRAs and are smaller in number than women in general, who amount to approximately 50% of the population. I'm not surprised that they are not standing up against this.

We, and they, need to stand together but, as women are not allowed/finding it very difficult to organise themselves to move against it, there is not much chance of us getting them on board either.

I don't think there is anything noble in it. It is probably just sickening idiocy & egotism and a misplaced desire to seem cool and 'with it' to the younger pomo bullshit generation. Just FUCK THEM.

I currently have faith that WA are just having to review this and be able to come back reasonably and in a way in which they won't receive massive transphobic accusations.

Everything about WA in the past has been brave and about women first, but this is such a hot potato that they have to get their stance clear.

My only concern is WA have recently lost polly neate and I would have trusted her judgement on this emphatically but I don't know anything about the new CEO and whether she has drunk the koolaid and worse, has come in new and "wants to make her mark"

OvaHere

True, but that's who the general public think we are talking about when we discuss this issue, it's why they think we are bigots. When transsexuals speak up in support of women, it's incredibly powerful. Miranda's 'Transgender Ideology Does Not Support Women' piece has been read over a MILLION times. Because he IS trans. When trans people say 'these people are fetishists, these people are MRAs' it is extremely helpful as it really helps people understand. There doesn't need to be lots of them, but there doesn't need to be for them to organise a pretty powerful campaign.

The other issue is newspaper style guides and IPSO guidance on this when discussing it in the media, trans orgs have been very clever lobbying the media on language, when there is absolutely NO REASON why they should be in charge of the terms of this debate, the law being what it is. So they can say 'trans identified males' is offensive, don't use it, and actually they are not correct, and we have just as much right to say 'transwoman' is offensive because they are not women, women are adult human females not a costume, or whatever.

I think we really do need to get better at defining the terms of this discussion, it's our language too.

If this new wave of transwoman wants recognition/safe spaces, then they can campaign, organise and create their own and stop piggybacking on those of women.