Women’s Aid considers employing self-declared transwomen [i.e. men] in women's shelters

Morningrunner and Patodp thankyou, there would be a certain irony in following your advice Morning (don't want to say more than that) and I shall be looking at the policy and the H&S regs very carefully.

cor, TRAs vs the Catholic Church. A treu clash of religion - who would win?

Aoife assumpta hart used to be obsessed with becoming a nun. Unsure if that's a tra who is still around

Someone earlier mentioned convents
How long before a trans woman demands the right to live in one?
I wonder what that silly cow of a vicar would think of that?
As Jeff Goldbloum said on Jurassic Park ( paraphrase) people spend so long thinking about how they COULD they don’t actually consider whether they SHOULD. Odd quote for this situation I realise but it seems to fit.

Men, women and trans people need seperate trauma therapy and health services.
I cant believe I have to say that despite all the evidence that shows men override and talk over women. Despite the fact that PTSD exists.

I cautiously stuck my head above the parapet on FB because of this. It did not go well!

I feel like I'm talking a different language for simply saying that these services need to be built around the women accessing them.

I am going to get a subscription to The Times. They are the only paper willing to stand up for women at the moment, and deserve to be supported.

I think I'm also going to have to vote Conservative, as Labour seem to have thrown women under the bus.

It makes it really worrying that Amber Rudd on Andrew Marr today said they would be consulting Women's Aid re safe places for women.

You would think Women's Aid would be the best organisation to consult -but if it really believes in employing trans men then that will be another nail in the coffin of women's rights.

I googled it and include a link here in case it causes anyone else to peak trans. I couldn't find a Guardian article (funny that), the story was broken by the Times, so behind a paywall, so here's a link from the Pink News. Enjoy the irrelevant bit at the end about how hard done to trans people are by the NHS.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/31/nhs-apologises-for-allocating-trans-nurse-for-smear-test/

I am not on Twitter but it would be great if someone could respond to a comment on the vicar's twitter @sallyhitchiner:

LeicesterLGBT Centre tweeted in support of the vicar's abysmal newspaper review on BBC Breakfast this morning. Someone replied that "There is a massive problem with anybody who has a penis entering a women's refuge. Women are raped by penises not Gender identities".

In response, someone else has put: "Interesting view point. As a hopefully caring and thoughtful man I find it rather sad that you would judge me or others by my body parts rather than my morals...incidentally, how many incidences of Transgender women sexually assaulting another woman are you aware of"

Myunicornfliessideways, do you have a link to an article regarding that nurse?

The WA are wording job ads as women only, which is going to attract TRAs on principle to ensure that by 'women' they mean transwomen first and centred.

I wonder if WA are thinking if they make it clear that 'women only' includes allowing transwomen to apply/interview, they still can appoint whoever they want. The chances of a TRA candidate having the relevant background, experience and applying for the post due to a genuine interest in doing the work and rescuing/supporting biological women is pretty much zero, so they won't interview well and wouldn't be appointed.

However we said that about TIM nurses doing smear tests and one not only went to do a smear for a woman who had requested a female HCP, but argued for his right to do it.

Ruby
Please listen to morningrunner

Sorry, correction to my Twitter link for the vicar who doesn't get it - it's @sallyhitchiner

is there an explanation anywhere for why women's aid currently do not employ men in shelters?

I would assume that all of those reasons would apply equally to a trans identifying male as to a bog standard old fashioned 'man'.

for you DearSergio hope you're in a better place now and brilliant that you've felt able to speak out with your own experiences-it's so important to do it if you can.

Dear Sergio, I suspect that is exactly the sort of evidence and experience that they would need to justify keeping women only spaces.

I have emailed women's aid to share with them my experience of leaving an abusive ex and how the overwhelming fear of men has shaped my life for the last 7 years. I have told them if it had been a male person who welcomed me into that shelter i would have left. I've asked them to please listen to other women about this. I'm scared of the reply I will receive but I can't do nothing anymore.

We live in a world where having a vagina doesn't make you a woman but wearing a dress, make up & heels does.

Is 2pm too early for ..?

MRAs masquerading as transsexuals are very reductionist (I think that's the right word). Being a man means wearing trousers and little adornment; being a woman means wearing bright patterned dresses and earrings. Minor little things like biology, fertility and women being oppressed by men for thousands of years are irritating little details,

Drinkswine

You are not dim, we've all been where you have, and had the sudden scales fall from eyes moment - we call it Peak Trans. I've been a lifelong feminist, I never thought TW were actual women but honestly, I had NO IDEA that what I thought were a few harmless transsexuals had suddenly morphed into an aggressive men's rights movement. Until two years ago, BAM! OMG, I was flabberghasted. The thing is, this is not really a 'feminist' thing, this is about all women, this is about your elderly granny getting her catheter changed by an actual woman, if you, have a family, have requested that. This is about your teenage daughter being able to try on jeans in topshop without some pervert sticking a camera phone under the changing room door, this is about us saying (mad as it sounds) WOMEN need maternity services and abortions, and WOMEN need domestic violence shelters. This is about all women.

There's lots to take in. Take your time.

All you fence sitters lurking, it's time to speak up

Not a fence sitter but apart from re-tweeting a couple of articles I've just been horrified in silence - no more! I have daughters and grand-daughters and this scares the bejesus out of me. After reading the thread on WA today I've had to put my head above the parapet and join the TERF club. I would never forgive myself if the GRA is allowed to just sail through and woman lose all their safe spaces because I was too afraid to speak out.

I do have the badge of honour of being blocked by that sickening little squirt L Madigan.

I think we established a while back that the majority of us fit into one/several/lots of the gender pick'n'mix categories, so we're all actually under the trans umbrella(according to Stonewall) .

Well, given as how vicars believe in the Great Sky Pixie, I am not surprised that a female vicar is incapable of critical thinking on other issues, such as gender.