Bravo Janice Turner!

Cogs not cigs 😬

MOTU have you been called a bigot yet? When I’ve been called it, I answer that they are the bigots for refusing to listen to the views of the actual born females. You can see their little cigs working overtime. 😁

From what I’ve seen, Venice Allan does seem a bit of a liability.

Myunicornfliessideways Excellent analysis on your 12:40 post.

Thank you so much for writing this amazingly elegant article, Janice Turner. In today’s anti female climate, you are an incredibly brave woman. For those women who are afraid to speak out publicly because of abuse and threats of being sacked from our jobs or ‘disowned’ by family members/friends, this is a huge comfort. The more people in your position to let the public know what’s going on, the more chance we have of stopping this nonsense. The TRAs are doing a great job of silencing women and unfortunately their handmaidens are so in awe of them, that they are acting as foot soldiers.

This latest article by Janice Turner is excellent. I would have thought the range of topics covered would have ended in a mess but no, much covered, but with terrific clarity.

Like others I went on twitter to see the response. Venice Allen is an attention seeking liability to the gender critical cause. Jennifer James and her Islington Jesus (that got a snort from me) also makes me very wary. It is amazing to me how these two sustain the cognitive dissonance that somehow Saint Jeremy isn't supporting this erosion of women's rights.

Excellent article by Janice Turner!

Brilliant article - we need to bookmark it to share with newbies to the issue who heed a concise, well written guide to what is going on ATM

I've shared it on Facebook, but tumbleweed so far...

Stonewall can fuck off. Do they really think that tampons in the men's loos is the top priority for transmen? Isn't that, er, reductionist? I am not a transman, nor do I know any, but after two minutes thought I would suggest that Stonewall think about lobbying on:

• healthcare providers understanding that transmen still need smears and other sex based tests (I know, I know)
• harassment of non-GC individuals
• gender pay gap
• primogeniture laws

By the way, I noticed the teacher who was in the news (re his GC views getting him in trouble) has commented on Janice's twitter share 👍

Agree with Lang and Tallulah.

And I’m an old-fashioned leftist, too.

Empress
"The Guardian & the Independent have Owen Jones & Paris Lees."

Don't forget Fox and Owl...

if you’ll finally let us be, then maybe we can talk about tampons in men’s toilets

Oh, once women have given up all their rights to men, then maybe they will allow us to talk about tampons. Screw that.

As LangCleg says, they're not leftists. This is a neoliberal individualist ideology which appropriates the concepts and language of leftist class analysis before bursting out and destroying the host like something out of alien.

So far it's facilitated the appropriation of Marxist class analysis, anarchism, anti racism, transsexualism, lesbian and gay culture, feminism, womanhood, intersexhood. I've probably missed a few. Fuck knows where it's going to go next

Maria Miller is up to her neck in it. At least the Tories have admitted that is complex and divisive though. The room for movement on this debate at the moment is on the conservative side. The more articles like this one expose the 'bigot' lies the easier it will be for MPs in any party to raise concerns I strongly think many of them have. Once one party actually debates the proper issues, that puts pressure across the board.

Dominitthecat, if you get one now, it's £3 for 3 months. If you can't justify the full price cost, you can cancel your subscription before the 3 months is up.

I did post it on Facebook and am duly getting debated! But you know, I've read so much on this subject I think I come back pretty well!!

Dear Janice, I thank you.
I very nearly cried, it was so right and really well written.
Am thinking about a times sub. I don't know yet if I can justify the cost.

I'm also getting irritated at Jen and Venice for the Corbyn adoration. It's all "If only Dear Leader could actually see what's happening, he'd be dead against it. But he's so busy

They could be trying to keep communication channels open?

As to being a dyed-in-the-wool leftist. I'm one of those. The TRAs and the liberal feminists and the fools with the hammer and sickle avatars and the moronic anti-free speech antifa? They're not leftists. They're individualists. They've co-opted the language of the left just as the TRAs have co-opted the language of womanhood

Anarchism swings from left (communitarian) to right (individualism). The fact that antifa started in the US says it all.

Good post Lang

I don't know what is leftist anymore. The Left these days preach tolerance and enforce obedience. Fuck that

This is all terribly difficult for dyed in the wool lefties

In a way, yes. But in the most important way, no.

I'm also getting irritated at Jen and Venice for the Corbyn adoration. It's all "If only Dear Leader could actually see what's happening, he'd be dead against it. But he's so busy!"

Bullshit. Dear Leader knows exactly what is going on and has decided to ignore it because he calculates that the youth and student led activism is more important to electoral success than the feminists are. (I think he's right about that cos nobody likes feminists but also wrong because he thinks the general public are unaware. They're not. They're waking up. So I think his calculation is wrong. Still his deliberate calculation though.)

As to being a dyed-in-the-wool leftist. I'm one of those. The TRAs and the liberal feminists and the fools with the hammer and sickle avatars and the moronic anti-free speech antifa? They're not leftists. They're individualists. They've co-opted the language of the left just as the TRAs have co-opted the language of womanhood.

Leftism is the antithesis of prioritising individual rights and subjective feelings above material reality. I'm a collectivist with a material class analysis. That's why I'm a leftist!

The Times has Janice, Andrew Gilligan, Lucy Bannerman & Nicholas Hellen.

The Guardian & the Independent have Owen Jones & Paris Lees.

Says it all really,

Fantastic article! So pleased to see this today.

Janice, if you are reading this, thank you, thank you, thank you!

Once again I have to ask what the deal is with people thinking Corbyn is Islington Jesus. Don't get it.

Yeah, I don’t get the Second Coming adulation either. To me, ot’sno different from Olly Murs fangirling. No one politician is without flaws. I haven’t seen much evidence of leadership from Corbyn. Someone commented on MN about John McDonald having the smarts snd Corbyn being his puppet, which had a ring of truth to it.

I actually felt a bit weepy with relief reading that. At last - the facts, laid out for the world to see, clearly, concisely and brilliantly. Thank you Janice!

I am baffled by this devotion to Corbyn. They must realise that only two possibilities are at play:

1. Corbyn agrees with the erasure of women as a sex class and agrees with blacklisting any woman that challenges him.

1. Corbyn is not a strong enough leader to stop this.

Given his wholehearted support of the trans agenda during TV interviews it seems very obvious that the former is the case. JJ and Radfem have a total blind-spot for him. Neither realise that their idol could not give a shit about them.