AIBU to feel concerned for my ordinary trans friend

Are there any groups for gender critical transwomen to flock together in?

@Amoregentlemanlikemanner like many here I share your concerns about trans people.

I hope common sense can prevail.

I do feel that it is highly inappropriate to politically protect and promote through policy and law, the intrusion into womens toilets, changing rooms, prisons, hostels, refuges and anywhere else, by biological men with penises. Oh and POSTNATAL WARDS.
One on one considerations are totally different to JC's sympathising with transphobia and letting any man openly enter womens spaces without question. Its disgusting and deplorable.

The only answer is the option of unisex facilities along with male and female

Becuase is it fair that some who have transitioned can pass and others can’t can they not feel the same

It’s sounds unfair but is it fair that women are left in a position where they are unsure, feel uncomfortable becuase they suspect

There will be probably many more men transitioning but it doesn’t matter how many operations, hormone replacement medications
taken you can’t change your sex and this is what seperates us

And I agree the trans movement at the moment isn’t help all trans people but I am sure some are feeling now they have a platform

Well exactly. The activists are doing actual transsexual people no service at all. Its one reason I dont support gender self identification.

I'm as worried about the potential fallout for trans people from all this as I am the fallout for women and girls.

We're all being thrown under the bus for the benefit of autogynophiles, sex offenders and misogynists.

Not only intimidated - there is also an aspect of why the hell should they have to? (It's a bit like the constant demands for Muslims to distance themselves from ISIS). My trans friends are certainly nothing like the transwhacktivists on twitter, and shouldn't have to point that fact out.

The problem is that the politicians are listening to the transwhacktivists to the exclusion of sane trans people like Miranda Yardley.

I feel worried too op. The vocal TRA's telling people on twitter to suck their ladydick and that TERF's should die in a fire are doing people with gender dysphoria no favour at all. I think transsexuals need to speak up more, ideally and voice this but I can understand why that would feel massively intimidating.

I have 2 such friends myself, 1 late 30s and 1 is only 20, one of the youngest fully transitioned. They share your anger at what they are being lumped in with.

But what about another one who is pre-op but nevertheless quietly goes about their business presenting as female and understands they can't be treated as female 100% of the time.

And btw, jeremy corbyn on sunday let down every woman in the uk with his comments on gender identification. He needs shaking and is a coward who shouldnt be in politics if he cannot make decisions and back them up. Him or theresa may. Dire choices. At least cameron had a backbone and balls.

The polarised debate is not representative of most trans people. It has become a playform for people, mostly men with agendas, and these are the ones criticising terms such as 'mother'. Similarly perverts in prison wanting transfers to womens prisons.
I know transwomen who have transitioned and who quietly get on with life and feel theatened as you say in male environments.
Unfortunately many of the loudest voices are misogynist freaks who take issue with any rights women have to create safe spaces and they are and will continue to ruin things for real trans people who are going to become objects of abuse and hate.

Your friend sounds like the people who were once known as transexual. Unfortunately the newer activist movement of transgender ideology is as damaging for people like your friend as it is for women and girls.

There are a few vocal transwomen who sound similar to your friend. Miranda Yardley and Debbie Hayton are ones that I know of, they both have blogs I think. There are also a couple of like minded transwomen who post here.

I don't really know where it leaves your friend because it must be difficult to speak out against the grain when you have spent many years trying to live quietly and not draw attention to your trans status.

Sorry, don't know how I turned Like into Lurker! Fat fingers and bonkers phone.

It's a recurring theme on this board, Lurker . Genuine trans people are being thrown under the bus along with women. We've got a number of trans posters on here (Curry, Transhobbit, Pidgeon, Harve) who agree about that.

The really silly thing was we had a compromise system that worked pretty well most of the time - if you had dysphoria and were serious about presenting in the way society associates with the opposite sex, you could get a GRC. And most women were pretty polite and accommodating towards transwomen in, say, toilets. It's the massive push towards self ID together with the insistence that transwomen are literally, indistinguishably women, so should have access to women's sport, women's prisons, women's rape crisis and domestic violence shelters, that's causing women to have to push back against this stuff. We didn't want this fight - we've been happily coexisting with the genuinely trans for decades. But self ID means there's just too much to lose.