Rose McGowan video

I feel really sorry for Rose. I can imagine that for a woman who has suffered a lot of abuse at the hands of men but also claims to believe that trans women are women, there must have been a startling cognitive dissonance to have someone who is quite clearly male heckle and yell at her as she talks about her abuse. She felt obliged to stick to the line of 'yes, you're a woman,' even as she obviously sensed that this was just another abusive male trying to gain control over her and make her back down. When you see something like that, you realise just how insidious the whole thing is. I'm not convinced Rose consciously recognised it, but unconsciously I'm sure she did. She was furious that he was trying to gain power over her, control her language and tell her to centre the men. You could see her utterly railing against this happening to her again.

That's why we're not allowed to talk about them. Because it shows the lie.

Trans women are women except that we're not allowed to talk about the reality of women's lives (the bleeding, the babies, the vaginas) because that's transphobic

Every little thing has to centre transwomen, whilst the mantra 'transwomen are women' means that differentiating between trans and real women is apparently transphobic?

It's so plainly obvious how narcissistic and misogynistic it is that I'm amazed more people can't see it. Cognitive dissonance is powerful.

Go Rose

It sounded to me like the transwomen are women mantra is, for Rose, just something that will now always preface the word but...

If transwomen are women, then Rose speaking about women IS Rose talking about transwomen surely?

I think she handled that ridiculous outburst well. Got a bit too angry but thats totally understandable.

And What on earth does transwomen being in male prisons have to do with Rose? Should Rose stop talking about her own experiences and start campaigning to have male people in with female people in prisons (for the female people to be sexually assaulted and raped, most likely). Its just batshit. Every little thing has to centre transwomen, whilst the mantra 'transwomen are women' means that differentiating between trans and real women is apparently transphobic?

She’s utterly fan-fucking-tastic.

Really shows the lunacy of the male demands that women - and feminists particularly- are supposed to look after everyone else. Supreme “whataboutery”

Thanks Datun

I'm lovin' Derry Girls at the moment because it reminds me of being a girl and all that that entailed.

I am living a life worth living.

Because I am a woman and I am female.

xx

I just love two flames.

Jennifer James to be the next Labour Leader. She knows and she is wise.

Elendon

Of course you're female. You're a woman. It's imprinted into every cell of your DNA.

If you werent a woman, you would not have been in a position to be upset about the removal of your ovaries.

It now makes me laugh. This desperation to invoke fictitious women born without vaginas, or menopausal women who, unaccountably, are suddenly not female.

What a vile narcissistic shit. He dares to turn up and shout at her for what? Because she's a woman and he hates women.

What the fuck did his rant have to do with her event? What made him think his rant was relevant or appropriate?

And why does she say 'we're the same'. It's obvious to anyone that that's not true.

Nice.

Jennifer James commenting on the thread under Rose's tweet about the "meltdown"

Love JJ!

Being on mumsnet has helped me a lot to get over the loss of my ovaries (first taken at 29 and second taken at 48).

What got me though was a transwomen saying to me several years ago was that now I was like her. No. I was born female.

I am female.

I don't have ovaries anymore, like a lot of women, but I know they were there, I was born with them, and they helped me get my three children.

Power to our ovaries.

A woman is talking about her own rape and subsequent abuse and harassment but she can only do that if she prefaces it with, "Of course, I understand that transwomen have it worse."

And if she doesn't include the preface, it's completely reasonable to abuse her all over again using misogynist language and tropes?

Yes, that's pretty much it!

She is pretty amazing.
People criticise her for being white because it means ‘you’re white so you’re not oppressed enough to have a say, so shut up’.
Same way that this fella is trying to get her to shut up - she’s an actual woman, with a vagina, so has more privilege, so should shut up.
It’s a tactic to stop women talking about it.
I’ve seen criticism of her saying that she’s narcissistic for talking about herself and her experiences. Again, it means ‘shut up, we don’t want to hear about it’.
Next they’ll be telling her she should be more ladylike in her demeanour.

It is pretty awesome seeing a woman not only having the public platform to dominate the discourse, but having the bloody ovaries to do it to.

And with each attempt to dominate her, she not only went toe to toe, she wrested control of the wording.

She did what men do. Take control.

And boy, do they not like that.

She said transwomen are women. I wonder if she is doing that in public, but doesn't think that in private.

Whatever her personal opinion, she clearly feels as though she should not have to centre anyone who doesn't have a vagina.

She appeared happy to include them in her fight, but not centre them.

The backlash will come her way. As it always does.

I hope she stands firm. She seems to understand, profoundly, how men have the upper hand. So I would imagine being dominated into saying something she doesn't want to, will light a very specific touchpaper.

I think I naively supposed most of them were keyboard warriors but I guess not.

Afraid not.

it's completely reasonable to abuse her all over again using misogynist language and tropes?

At least the other people in the crowd were encouraging her. That TIM was very intimidating. I think I naively supposed most of them were keyboard warriors but I guess not.

Because in the oppression Olympics white "cis" women are on the biggest oppressor podium?

On Twitter she's getting a lot of grief for being white. Is there some story behind that?

Yes 'FUCK OFF' very succinctly, summarises all my thought on the matter, too