Is "cis" the future ?

I don't identify as a woman. What an odd thought. I am a woman. It would be like identifying as being alive.

I'm not classing you as feminazis for that reason.

Women can't be transwomen too because they already identify as women.

There is a difference between equal rights for all and getting your own way.

But again you can believe whatever you want as it is your body and choice just as its everyone else's body and choice to do what they want.

I'm going to start donating £1 to either the AWS or the free speech crowd finder everytime I hear this drivel.

Yes I've heard every argument there is and I disagree. The bottom line is I'm keeping my rights because I WANT TO.

I've not even been here that long and that's my position.

to everyone who's been fighting this batshittery for years.

I thought trans women meant women who were biologically men but identify as female? I don’t think they’re saying they have women’s biology?

Trans women can still be called and treated like women x

Transwomen want to be treated like women. Women just want to be treated like human beings.

Laine no one is suggesting trans people don’t have or shouldn’t have rights
They just require the rights owed to them. We all have human rights. However women have some rights to protection due to centuries of discrimination and violence against them. You get those rights by being born a woman.

I don’t require the extra protections afforded to people with disabilities. I do not complain when I see someone disabled receiving adjustments to support them and say “me too!”

@Ovahere
In my mind i would give transgenders 100% rights to go wherever they want and use whatever they want
But i know women are particularly vulnerable about those types of places and so i agree especially in those circumstances as i also want cis women to feel fairly happy.
It's all about compromise.

I would also be willing to compromise by retaining certain spaces for biological females. As would most women here. It's the transactivists that will not compromise and insist we accept a penis as a female sex organ.

It's pretty insulting to describe women who do not want to get undressed with male bodied strangers in the room 'feminazi's'

Laine01

Your posts are one of the miriad variations on "why can't you all just be nice?". I could run away to the Bahamas if I had a £ for every time that appeal is made.

No, I'm afraid I can't be nice. Not when the rights of women and girls are being trampled on and no one seems to gaf.

Transwomen are men, not some other "type" of women, they are a type of man otherwise what does the trans part mean?

And if transwomen are women can women be transwomen too. If not why not?

Then why is it any different whether they have rights or not? If they're just as likely to it doesn't matter.

Gosh, how original. Not answered that one before a million times over.

Yep, yep, people gonna murder anyway, right? So why bother with the police?

In my mind i would give transgenders 100% rights to go wherever they want and use whatever they want

Sorry me again. I have another question.

If Ian Huntley says he's a woman, are you happy with him being transferred to a woman's prison tomorrow? If, god forbid, you did something which landed you in prison, would you be happy to share a cell with him or a bathroom or sit next to him to eat lunch? If not, why not?

"Males who are trans are as likely to harm women as males who are not"

Then why is it any different whether they have rights or not? If they're just as likely to it doesn't matter.

Cis will never become a widespread term as men won’t use it
Same as men won’t date trans women, while telling other women they are just the same as us - except for relationship purposes.

Two slightly different shapes of the same twisty molecule, WildWinds (what a v nice user name that is).

I can understand your insecurities though.

Patronising, much? They are not insecurities. They are protections for women in a patriarchal world afflicted by epidemic levels of male violence.

All the evidence shows that trans identification has no bearing on crime statistics. Males who are trans are as likely to harm women as males who are not.

These are not our insecurities. These are our sex-based protections and rights, won through decades of hard campaigning and sacrifices by our foresisters and foremothers.

You might want to throw them away for the approval of a few feminine--presenting but misogynistic males. We Do. Not.

(And the x after every post is bloody annoying. Petty? Yes. Sorry? No.)

mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else.

Can you elaborate please? What makes someone a woman. What makes someone a man?

No Cis is not the future. No Men don't get to define Women. No Men don't get to define female.

Yes there are issues the movement is homophobic, misogynistic and racist.

It effects sports, safeguarding, AWS, data, refuges, prisons, guides, consent, toilets, women's ability to organise themselves as a sex class against sexism and probably 101 other things.

HTH x

@Ovahere
In my mind i would give transgenders 100% rights to go wherever they want and use whatever they want
But i know women are particularly vulnerable about those types of places and so i agree especially in those circumstances as i also want cis women to feel fairly happy.
It's all about compromise.

Again though i'm not a feminazi myself so can't say to much but i personally believe we can function the same if trans people have the same rights so all i can wish really is that they get all the rights they deserve and nothing else changes.

(and yes i'm done with trying to have a logical and calm discussion)

I just hope what you believe doesn't come true, the world is in a crisis enough as it is just people live what time they have left.

*cis

Sorry, my autocorrect doesn't understand TRA slurs yet

'Cus white scum?'

Charming! Reported.

Please would someone explain what "isomer" means?

Honestly i don't see a problem with sharing the same toilets but i know people get worried and feel insecure

Yeah like silly rape victims and, I don't know, anorexics and Muslims who have been socialised to feel shame about their bodies around men.

Pfft. Screw 'em. Chill, all ye traumatised wimmin.

Prisons and shelters are different, thats the scum of humanity youre dealing with

Oh c'mon. At least try to stay in character.

Have you let the TRAs have your solution yet Laine? I'm super excited to hear their response!

I haven't advanced searched you but I bet you need to be welcomed to mumsnet!

X

"Yet another solve! We're on fire here today people!"

I'm glad another intelligent, no-nonsense human being agrees!