Is "cis" the future ?

Have we all filled in the sex Ed consultation? Think there's a real need for it!

Women can't be transwomen too because they already identify as women.

Speak for yourself..

mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else.

If a transwoman puts her penis in me, I can be fertilized. I don't have a penis to stick in a transwoman, but if I got a man to stick his penis in the transwoman, there is zero chance they can be fertilized.

transwomen are not as female as any woman, because they produce sperm, not ova, and being of the sex that produces ova is what being female means (and that's all it means - it has no bearing on my hobbies or dress-sense)

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I don't identify as a woman. I am a woman.

I don't gaf what people identify as, it's got no bearing on the way they will be identified and treated by others that is to say they will be recognised as their sex and treated as such.

D'you think if all the girls in the world who might be subject to FGM identified as men it would stop FGM from happening?

I don't know what it means to identify as a woman. I never have. I always struggled fitting in with other females. I certainly don't identify with the gender role that has been applied to me based on my biological sex.

So if I'm not cis, then does that mean I'm trans? Because the opposite of one is the other?

Again though i'm not a feminazi myself so can't say to much but i personally believe we can function the same if trans people have the same rights so all i can wish really is that they get all the rights they deserve and nothing else changes.

Ahhh 'feminazi'. MRA or TRA. I took you at face value too. Should have read the full thread before replying

Yeah, feminazi to think male people are male and need their own spaces, and that female people are female and need their own spaces. And that male and female are different. How terrible to care about the rights of women (real women, not male women)

I can see where you're coming from with prisons and rape crisis shelters but i don't see the problem with any others to be honest, mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else.

No, male people are male and female people are female. Sex change is impossible.

Though personally I would have no issue with post-op transsexual people using the spaces designated for the opposite sex. I do understand some women would still be uncomfortable with that though. And the whole issue so far has basically been...give an inch and they (transactivists, not really transsexual people) take a mile.

mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else

Here's one - If you're being searched at the airport, you can request that you are searched by someone of the same sex. We don't let men insist that they are patted down by women, because we absolutely know that there are men who will get off on that, and it would be a hostile work environment for those women.

If self-id goes through, then that goes. A man can say he's a woman, and insist that a woman pats him down. If that was your job, do you think that would be fair?

Why is everything got to be segregated by sex or gender or whatever the fuck SJWs call it these days?

Everything does not need to be segregated by sex (nothing is segregated by 'gender' despite what the genderists would have you believe), but places where female people are more vulnerable/are naked or partially clothed should be segregated by sex. Likewise people should be able to access a same sex HCP if thats what they want.

Laine imagine for a minute that you want vaginal exams to be carried out by a woman because you have been sexually assaulted in the past and have trauma about a man putting his hands in your vagina. At the moment you can request a female to carry this out. You seriously think someone with a penis dressed as a woman would be fine for you, in that circumstance?
You’re pretty cold if so.

Men can be midwifes and give smear tests anyway so what's the problem? With the way the NHS is going I'd be grateful to get help of any kind.

Can be. But I can also request a woman. You might be grateful for any medical care you get, I'd rather rape survivors were given the option to refuse a smear by a man. Do you not?

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"transbian ladydick activists"
Aw that was a great life it made my day 😂

Murder is a different story(you're over reacting again)

Men can be midwifes and give smear tests anyway so what's the problem? With the way the NHS is going I'd be grateful to get help of any kind.

I understand you would want a female doctor and you have a right to one but transgender women are women and all doctors are trained in that anatomy anyway.

But again and lastly i don't personally agree with you all(on some extent i do) as i am not a feminist so i'm going to let you all continue your discussion and stick with my opinions and beliefs

Matt/Morgane we know what's happening in Canada and it's not happening here because we SAID NO.

The labelling of women as "cis" is vaguely reminiscent of white people forcing terminology on ethnic minorities - coloured or boy or the n word or whatever. Ethnic minorities didn't like that terminology so as society became more aware of race it became unacceptable to use them. The trans community seems to be trying to do the same to women. I reject the terminology.

There is a difference between equal rights for all and getting your own way.

Tell that to the transbian ladydick activists.

Women can't be transwomen too because they already identify as women.

Nobody can identify as a woman because woman is a material reality.

That said, if one subscribes to gender identity theory, one's individual subjective view of it is all that counts. If I want to be a transwoman, you're a bigot to try and deny me.

Can't have it both ways.

As it is, the whole thing is a cultish religion on a par with Scientology. Cis is just religious terminology and, since I am not a cult member or follower of this religion, it does not apply to me.

Equal rights for all vs feminazi getting your own way. I laughed out loud.

Can someone explain the anger at cis? I have no strong feelings on it, and generally ascribe to let people be.

Cis assumes that you 'identify' with all of the sex stereotypes pushed onto you. Not many, if any, people are actually 'cis'

Assuming everyone else except trans people are 'cis' is pretty silly coming from a group that get oh so offended if someone misgenders them. I HAVE no gender at all. I don't believe in gender and think its all societies bullshit. But I am still lumped into the ridiculous 'cis' bracket so that others can feel special about themselves for rejecting sex stereotypes. Its bonkers.

Also its generally used in a very negative way. Shut up, cis people know nothing. Die cis scum. Etc.

Exactly. It’s the language shift involved. Makes it seem normal to “identify” instead of simply to be.
I can’t identify as a woman as I don’t know what that would mean, other than being an adult female. But I just am an adult female I don’t need to identify as one.

But again you can believe whatever you want as it is your body and choice just as its everyone else's body and choice to do what they want.

Wonderful. So I when turn up to my smear, request a female HCP and a male-bodied person comes out who identifies as a women (but still has a beard, penis, 6 foot tall etc.) whose 'body choice' wins according to you?

What if I murder you? Is that my body and choice? Or do some of our choices impact on other people?

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