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Is "cis" the future ?

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matt1978 · 01/02/2018 04:43

I will admit to being new to the topic and still reading but many threads on here have lead me to further reading. I don't think I've ever bothered with the whole feminist thing until now when I see it being threatened by the trans agenda. Im starting to now feel much more protective about women's rights perhaps it's because I'm older or perhaps in my lifetime there's never been a threat to it ? I'm fearful to say even that for being accused of transphobia and I have no issue at all with anyone living their life as they wish - but I have a daughter and am now fearful for the future - will she have safe women only spaces ? Possibly not. Will she have to call herself a cis woman rather than just a woman ?
I dislike the agenda that you cannot debate or disagree or you're a bigot . It seems so backwards and confusing
I feel ignorant about what's going on out there and would love some insight from better informed posters here .

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matt1978 · 02/02/2018 04:39

Well if they took it even further back it would create even more issues !

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MrsTerryPratchett · 02/02/2018 04:13

The original Canadian anthem had neutral words and they changed it to exclude women. Fuck that noise! I would have changed it back to the original but it was "thou dost in us command" and pissed hockey fans can't be expected to navigate that line.

matt1978 · 02/02/2018 03:40

So perhaps this is irrelevant to this discussion but also interesting and I'm curious where the pressure came from - but canada has also just changed the words of the national anthem to make it gender neutral
From "all thy sons command" to "all of us command"
I have to admit this makes me eye roll and wonder what next ffs - but I wonder - SHOULD I have felt offended by the previous wording ? Or is that just a bit batshit ?

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OlennasWimple · 02/02/2018 03:05

If I didn’t know who they were, I wouldn’t feel uncomfortable with a person like Laverne Cox in the bathroom but Danielle Muscato might make me feel a bit awkward. Purely because the first, I can’t tell she’s trans and the second makes no effort to transition so would just look like a man in the women’s toilet

Yeah, you would know that Laverne Cox is a transwoman, you really would.

TheCatsPaws · 01/02/2018 23:00

I can remember being told, as a teenager, “you’d fit in more if you wore more makeup and didn’t talk so much.”

As it happens I grew to love makeup as I got older, but that was an incredibly sexist assumption and I do think trans issues risk stereotyping those of us who are happy being women as “gender conformists”.

Datun · 01/02/2018 22:58

Well exactly. It's incredibly sexist to suggest that women have male brains for any reason. But for liking maths?

It's so regressive. We're going back to the times when women weren't considered worthy or capable of an education, because their brains couldn't handle it.

And with 2000 kids a year showing up at gender clinics, the vast majority of whom aren't forwarded for treatment, what does it say about how either they, or their parents are thinking?

KittiesInsane · 01/02/2018 21:41

I've been told I have an 'extreme male brain' according to online tests for ASD (we can thank Simon Baron Cohen for that sexist piece of terminology).

No, my brain is in a female body and is therefore female.

TheCatsPaws · 01/02/2018 21:35

Thank you for the informative reply. I meant in terms of, if I didn’t know who they were, I wouldn’t feel uncomfortable with a person like Laverne Cox in the bathroom but Danielle Muscato might make me feel a bit awkward. Purely because the first, I can’t tell she’s trans and the second makes no effort to transition so would just look like a man in the women’s toilet.

I’ve never understood the need some people feel to get sex offenders who are trans moved to women’s prisons, particularly if they’ve committed these crimes against women.

I agree with your points about how it gives an idea of a lady brain/Male brain. I’ve been told I have a “Male brain” because I was fairly good at science and mathematics at school...no I have a persons brain.

That they think it’s a “female penis” is strange. I’ve always heard trans people claim to be the “wrong sex”. I agree that people who say it’s a female penis are a bit delusional.

Datun · 01/02/2018 21:26

TheCatsPaws

I thought trans women meant women who were biologically men but identify as female? I don’t think they’re saying they have women’s biology?

Sorry, I know it looks like I'm singling you out. It's because you are asking very pertinent questions.

The narrative is that transwomen are actually biological women. Because doctors made a mistake when they were born with regards to their anatomy.

Being male or female is not a question of biology or anatomy. It's all about how you think.

Which somehow doesn't quite work when transwomen have sexual criminal patterns exactly the same as natal men, actually slightly higher.

It also promotes the idea of a lady brain. Which, unsurprisingly, I haven't heard a transwoman ever describe (other than it being about dresses and make up).

And, of course, completely disregards the reason why women are oppressed in the first place. On the basis of their biology.

117 million girl babies are not aborted before they are born, on the basis of how they think. Or may think.

But yes, you will hear that men are biologically women and that their penis is a female organ.

Datun · 01/02/2018 21:05

TheCatsPaws

Danielle Muscato, for example, shouldn’t be allowed to use the women’s bathroom but I’d have no issue with Laverne Cox using it. Does that make sense?

@TheCatsPaws

I want to answer your comment.

Laverne Cox starred in a TV show, right? Orange is the new black?

Just beware of how much spin is involved in this ideology.

Laverne Cox advocated for, and wrote public letters on behalf of, Synthia China Blast. The transwoman who raped, murdered and burnt the body of a child.

Cox leveraged her fame to be platformed.

"I want my voice to be heard, I want my dreams to matter,".

She petitioned to get this person transferred to a woman's prison.

My advice would be to always look under the surface of what people say.

This ideology seems to excuse every misdemeanour or monstrous crime in order to promote itself.

Take a deep breath and drill down into everything you read. Do not take anyone's word for it, even mine!

gendertrender.wordpress.com/?s=Laverne+cox&submit=Search

OvaHere · 01/02/2018 21:03

Saw this linked on twitter. It's an article from 2012, very disturbing to note how much the language has changed in these cases since then.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184888/Transvestite-dressed-old-lady-grope-young-girls-told-wearing-womens-clothing-meet-emotional-needs.html

The pervert hid his masculine features under a woman’s coat, scarf and hat and even sprinkled vanilla essence over his disguise to make him smell like an old woman.
He would put on a 'soft-pitched' voice and talk about the cold weather while snuggling up to unsuspecting female passers-by.
All the unsuspecting women believed Reed really was a woman

He told the defendant: 'There is to be no more sidling up to women in bus queues and touching them.
'That must cease because you must understand how upsetting that can be.
'If you wish to dress up in women’s clothing you can do that but you must not cover your face, so that people will know that you are a man

bombadino · 01/02/2018 20:55

Sorry, that's unclear, I meant not a 'TRA', just an ordinary canadian citizen. Hence the importance of resisting what is happening here, the JJ fundraiser, the Campion fundraiser and all the press. Resistance might not be possible, it seems like a generational thing, old ideas of responsibility for others and the social contract are uninviting because seen as failed. Is it all now about individualism, libertarianism, the notion that anyone can be anything, might be wildly successful as say elon musk? but for some reason not acknowledging education, privilege, and hard work.

ShotsFired · 01/02/2018 20:36

@Laine01 and others finding it hard to understand that we support women AND Trans people, just not the creating of Trans Rights at the expense/curtailment of womens

Attached pics:

  1. LIfe as it is currently
  2. Life as it would be under the GRA/Self-ID.

Does that help?

Is "cis" the future ?
Is "cis" the future ?
bombadino · 01/02/2018 20:17

The TRA may be an ordinary Canadian
the obliviousness

thebewilderness · 01/02/2018 20:11

The elephant in the room of all these kinds of discussions about giving males unfettered access to females is that male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.

slightlybefuddledlibrarian · 01/02/2018 20:09

I did lol at Morgane. Not from Van then, Matt?

thebewilderness · 01/02/2018 20:06

When your beliefs are impervious to material reality you are in danger of a psychotic break.

SameTerfDifferentUserName · 01/02/2018 20:01

Yes! That's the one!

matt1978 · 01/02/2018 20:00

Thanks pencils will take a look!

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matt1978 · 01/02/2018 19:59

sameterf that's ok I was a bit confused ! Yes I did see the story (through here actually) about the women's march and the politician (?) trying to track her down. I loved all the replies on twitter claiming to be her!

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SameTerfDifferentUserName · 01/02/2018 19:58

*you're bloody hell!

SameTerfDifferentUserName · 01/02/2018 19:58

Really sorry Matt, realised your the OP and not the fuckwit TRA poster Blush twitter has really pissed me off today!

SameTerfDifferentUserName · 01/02/2018 19:56

Sorry Matt I may have confused you with another poster! Morgane O something or other is a Canadian fuckwit/politician who is trying to track down a woman on twitter and either re-educate or sue her for holding a sign full of biological facts at a rally!

PencilsInSpace · 01/02/2018 19:54

Feminist Current is excellent, matt. It's run by Meghan Murphy who is Canada based, although the site covers stories from around the world.

PencilsInSpace · 01/02/2018 19:49

"transbian ladydick activists"
Aw that was a great laugh it made my day

Yeah, not quite so hilarious if you're a lesbian on the receiving end of Hmm

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