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Lily Madigan has published an article.

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UpstartCrow · 01/02/2018 00:09

www.youngfabians.org.uk/transmisog

''100 years on since the first women got the vote, there are still inequalities in the feminist movement. Why are some feminists still failing transwomen?

The evidence is there if you look for it – Transphobic leaflets being given out in the safe zone at Labour annual conference; prominent party feminists suggesting violence against transwomen; someone being kicked out of a Labour Women’s Network party for harassing a teenage trans woman; fundraisers being started to try and legally challenge Labours trans-inclusive policies; transwomen being excluded from Labour run women’s events by a women’s officer. The list goes on.

Most state their actions aren’t transphobic at all, but they are merely seeking the protection of women’s spaces. Some go further, suggesting transwomen are men’s right activists working purposely to erode women’s hard won protects. They commonly misgender people like me as a means to belittle our experiences and score social media points. And so I think its fair we question how much authority they have as cis-women to decide whether they are being transphobic.''

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WiseUpJanetWeiss · 07/02/2018 20:02

I’m appalled by Lily’s behaviour so far but I’d counsel against this kind of attitude:

We all know that is exactly the kind of thing he would do

It does look bad, but maybe it’s intended to look bad. Maybe it’s intended to provoke a reaction and make us look bad.

I’ve been peak transing on an hourly basis since mid December thanks to you lot, but I still think it’s important to remain sceptical and self critical. Lily may not deserve the benefit of the doubt, but it’s essential we don’t become the baying mob.

OlennasWimple · 07/02/2018 19:47

Im' glad someone has linked the Nolan principles.

They don't necessarily apply to LM as he is not actually a holder of public office. But a) the Labour Party may have their own internal rules about this sort of thing (if they don't, they should...) b) LM has said repeatedly that he aspires to be an MP, and as such should really be behaving in such a way now, if only to stop the media dredging stuff up from his past once he is old enough to stand for election; and c) the Nolan Principles make it clear that others are obliged to step intervene if they become aware that a breach by someone else has occurred - given the amount of Labour MPs (who are bound by this) who fawn over him, one would expect one of them to put their arm around him and explain why it's really, really not a good idea.

Or, y'know, he could accept some lovely new clothes from the Russians or something and be beholden to them forever more...

PositivelyPERF · 07/02/2018 19:39

I’d be happy to send him some underpants. 😬

Mumsnut · 07/02/2018 19:27

We could go on a charity shop crawl and send Lil some naice clothes

A makeover, in fact.

Juzza12 · 07/02/2018 19:22

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DickTERFin · 07/02/2018 19:20

TBH I think even Lily isn't dim enough to name a shill account called LilyBurner... surely?!

I mean you'd call it HairyRadFem - or something equally delightful if you were trying to set up RadFem's as vicious, violent transphobes wouldn't you?

That said, I doubt it's actually a women who set that account up - more likely to be someone in Lily's circle who secretly hates them and is dicking with them (I bet there is more than one). Snowflakes in those kind of circles are always creating drama for the craic.

nauticant · 07/02/2018 19:16

Madigan is a provocateur. Much of what they do is to get a reaction. Unfortunately though, Madigan is like catnip to the people they set out to provoke.

I think it's worthwhile making the effort to sort out actual facts from truthiness.

hipsterfun · 07/02/2018 19:09

Someone has screenshots of the previous tweets made by that account that were supportive of Lily.

That and the fact it has him name, and a "burner" means an extra account, means that this can't go ignored.

Means nothing.

I could’ve set up that account, to support and then to fake. I didn’t because I’ve better things to do, but I could have.

Fekko · 07/02/2018 19:04

So its the Bad Tweeter on the Big List somewhere too then?

Popchyk · 07/02/2018 18:43

1st South Battersea Brownies

. Ta, I needed a laugh today.

With dastardly enemies like that, I am imagining LM taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy alongside Julian Assange.

We can only hope.

Juzza12 · 07/02/2018 18:36

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stoneagefertilitydoll · 07/02/2018 18:33

1st South Battersea Brownies

I am giggling into my wine over that one. I'm imagining non-regulation berets and calling each other comrade like something out of Citizen Smith...

Also "women's clothes" I'm in jeans, bra, boxers and long-sleeved t-shirt at the moment, all of which belong to me, so are "women's clothes" and all but the jeans/bra came from the mens sections - now admittedly, they're rather bigger than a size 8, but I find the idea that you're so desperate for clothes that you're begging on twitter, and yet you wouldn't accept half of what I'm wearing (in a smaller size) to be pretty damn insulting to people who are actually struggling (when I've been poor, I've worn what I could find/afford personally)

hipsterfun · 07/02/2018 18:05

Good question, naut.

nauticant · 07/02/2018 17:52

Is there any proof that Lily Madigan set up and controls the @lilyburner2 account?

Fekko · 07/02/2018 17:44

My money’s is in him saying it was his mum. Isn’t it all her fault?

It’s just like soooooooooooo unfair muuuuuuum!

PositivelyPERF · 07/02/2018 17:41

Oh don’t worry. No doubt he’ll convince his weirdo followers that his brother did it. 😒

Fekko · 07/02/2018 17:36

Silly Lilly. Not got the smarts for intrigues.

ChattyLion · 07/02/2018 15:56
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MySqueeHasBeenSeverelyHarshed · 07/02/2018 15:54

Thought this might be useful information for this thread...

Lily has faked an attack on themselves.

The picture they tweeted had the username cropped out, and then the person running the account deleted it but not before it was archived and traced.

Turns out the account is @lilyburner2, an account that was shilling for Lily up until the day of the 'attack' when they suddenly liked a lot of gender critical stuff and changed their profile image.

Lily Madigan has published an article.
Amortentia · 07/02/2018 15:44

Oh FFS - how much flak would there be if under normal circumstances a political party women's officer tweeted asking for cute clothes, never mind the size 8

That’s how you know the mainstream don’t really take Lily seriously. If they did lily would have shown up on the DM sidebar of shame ‘showcasing’ her trim size 8 figure. 🙄

PositivelyPERF · 07/02/2018 14:27

The Emperor wants new clothes 🤣

PositivelyPERF · 07/02/2018 14:26

Let’s be fair, he might be a size &, as he doesn’t have any breasts, what with him being a man and all. I’ve barely any, am average framed and at my lightest would just have squeezed into a size 8.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 07/02/2018 14:23

The Emperor wants new clothes
GrinGrinGrin

nauticant · 07/02/2018 14:20

LM doesn't want clothes, size 8 or otherwise. They're counting on people saying "you know what, it would be simpler for me just to send cash".

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