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Lily Madigan has published an article.

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UpstartCrow · 01/02/2018 00:09

www.youngfabians.org.uk/transmisog

''100 years on since the first women got the vote, there are still inequalities in the feminist movement. Why are some feminists still failing transwomen?

The evidence is there if you look for it – Transphobic leaflets being given out in the safe zone at Labour annual conference; prominent party feminists suggesting violence against transwomen; someone being kicked out of a Labour Women’s Network party for harassing a teenage trans woman; fundraisers being started to try and legally challenge Labours trans-inclusive policies; transwomen being excluded from Labour run women’s events by a women’s officer. The list goes on.

Most state their actions aren’t transphobic at all, but they are merely seeking the protection of women’s spaces. Some go further, suggesting transwomen are men’s right activists working purposely to erode women’s hard won protects. They commonly misgender people like me as a means to belittle our experiences and score social media points. And so I think its fair we question how much authority they have as cis-women to decide whether they are being transphobic.''

It continues in this vein.

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SuburbanRhonda · 01/02/2018 11:49

Is lily claiming to be transexual now? Has she self-identified into a person who has had surgery?

A proof-reader might have been advisable for that article.

BrownBox · 01/02/2018 11:43

#PeakPinocchio
#PeakEmperor
#PeakUglyDuckling

stoneagefertilitydoll · 01/02/2018 11:42

quite comfortable

That one gets my American colleagues all the time. In my experience, that's a non-committal answer to be polite.

What do you think of the new office chairs? Oh, they're quite comfortable (really means she doesn't find them either particularly comfortable or particularly uncomfortable, she just hasn't thought about it - or in some circumstances, they're excruciating but she doesn't feel she can say that). It's certainly not positive.

'quite comfortable' means that they're only partially comfortable, which means they're also partially uncomfortable - but because of the way the question is framed, you couldn't say that.

Maryz · 01/02/2018 11:34

"Studies suggest near half of transexual youth will attempt suicide"

Are there any transexual youth? I thought transexual meant full physical transition.

Is lily claiming to be transexual now? Has she self-identified into a person who has had surgery?

SuperSange · 01/02/2018 11:28

Cis-fucking what now? Off to cancel my membership. I forgot.

Collidascope · 01/02/2018 11:24

I can't be bothered reading the article again but think it was 72% of women who claimed to be comfortable or quite comfortable sharing public space with trans woman. I think the leading nature of the question, a desire to be kind and not on the "wrong side of history," a tendency to imagine trans women as Hayley from Coronation St rather than self-id ing Marie Dean wanking into stolen knickers, and the not exactly enthusiastic "quite comfortable" accounts for that. Ignoring all that though, if it was a fair statistic, 28% of women is still a lot of women. I don't know one woman who hasn't been sexually assaulted and harassed numerous times, and we shouldn't have to feel bad for not wanting men in spaces where we are vulnerable.

CAAKE · 01/02/2018 11:12

Take note dear Lily.

Lily Madigan has published an article.
Fekko · 01/02/2018 10:53

I only knew Linda Bellos by name and how poor Lilly was in fear of his life from her (from Lil himself). I wasn’t expecting an almost 70 year old grandmother (?).

Silly creature.

DodoPatrol · 01/02/2018 10:48

Taylor Saotome-Westlake makes sense too, in that article.
It crystallized something for me about my uneasiness about leaping on 'men in frocks getting aroused by femininity' -- in that provided a man (autogynephile, I guess, given that's his own term) keeps it private or between consenting adults, that's just fine. People can have their kinks. Carry on, chaps, have fun. It's when it impinges on other, non-consenting people that I have a problem with it.

Extra kudos to him for squeezing 'taxon' in there mid blog-post.

Other than that, I'll just follow Pidge round the boards agreeing, in a sort of Columbidae-based appreciation society.

UpstartCrow · 01/02/2018 10:26

Lily supports transitioning children. I'd be interested to know how many left wing women support sterilising non gender conforming kids.

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DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 01/02/2018 10:20

I predict #peaklily to be trending before June.

UpstartCrow · 01/02/2018 10:16

PidgeonPodge
Thank you for your blessing, O Munificent One!

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HomeTerf · 01/02/2018 09:56

This morning I am mostly outraged about Lily's constant referencing to being afraid of violence from Linda Bellos.

It's such a lot of dishonest, gaslighting, diversionary BULLSHIT. How fucking dare they?? A 20 year old physical male being physically intimidated by a woman who is almost 70?? That alone tells me they know NOTHING about the reality of being a woman, and the day-to-day low level awareness of physical threat that we've all gradually developed.

Sheesh. Now going to google kittens until my blood pressure returns to normal.

stoneagefertilitydoll · 01/02/2018 09:50

And so I think its fair we question how much authority they have as cis-women to decide whether they are being transphobic

So those affected get to determine if something's phobic. Excellent, then Lilly'll have no problem acknowledging that women are the ones with the authority to say if something's misogynistic.

Patodp · 01/02/2018 09:43

why are some feminists still failing transwomen?

Luckily, because the answer is because transwomen are not women and everyone with 2 brain cells reading the article KNOWS this, the question and therefore the whole article will just be dismissed and garbage by the majority of readers.

(Unless of course it's only circulated amongst his trans and trans-ally peers... not sure who reads youngfabians. Are they all youth lgbtabc types?)

AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 09:43

@ lettuce

Can't remember where I saw the study, sorry! It was posted on a radfem blog.

MountainsofMars · 01/02/2018 09:41

We really have to question whether women have the authority to decide what constitutes a woman.

I am getting so sick and tired - and ANGRY - about men telling women who and what they are. THey've done it since GEnesis, and they keep on f=doing it.

"I was raped." "No, you weren't. You're lying"

"I'm in pain." "No you're not, that's just what women have to put up with"

"I'm rational and logical." "No, you're not, You're an emotional woman."

And so on.

I hope to see some of you in Bristol next week!

AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 09:41

Liam has tweeted stating that he was afraid that Linda bellos will thump him during a studio debate

Which is an interesting thing to say about a black lesbian, no? One might almost suspect that Liam harbors some not very well hidden bigotry of his own.

Collidascope · 01/02/2018 09:39

"What comes across incredibly strongly, is the us and them battlelines that he himself has drawn.

He consistently and deliberately puts himself outside the cohort women. He can't help it"

Yes. I do wonder if there are any red faces or doubts now among the Labour members who backed him.
It's an immature, aggressive, utterly illogical piece of writing. Frankly, it's not his age either, which is frequently used as a defence. I can imagine producing something like that at twelve or thirteen, not at twenty, in my second and third year of university.

Lettucepray · 01/02/2018 09:38

AngryAttackKittens

That is interesting re cluster b personality disorders, have you got a link to study?

AdalindSchade · 01/02/2018 09:37

Just because someone has a uterus does not mean that she's obliged to be your mum

Yesssss

Liam has tweeted stating that he was afraid that Linda bellos will thump him during a studio debate, that he is writing for the Independent!! And demonstrate that he doesn't understand what intersectionality means

Lily Madigan has published an article.
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Lily Madigan has published an article.
AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 09:36

Seriously, we should hand out the collected works of Orwell to children at about 13 or so, it would save a lot of trouble in the long run.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 09:35

"Some women are more equal than others."

MountainsofMars · 01/02/2018 09:34

If Lily is a woman (#NoDebate) and a feminist, why is she talking about feminists and women as "them" and trans people as "us" ? Confused

Sort of gives it away, doesn't it? Her language usage indicates that she sees transwomen and women as different categories.

hmmmm Hmm does this mean that somewhere in the rational part of her ladybrane, gosh there's a vaguely rational deduction that maybe, gosh, transwomen are just a tad different from women?

Discourse analysis rools!

PerfPower · 01/02/2018 09:33

I think he has serious 'mum issues', he doesn't like his mother much according to his tweets. I don't believe he is trans either, I think he's a heterosexual male doing this because he can.

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