Lily Madigan has published an article.

Yup comments are still there and the critiques are still ‘literally’ reasonable and factual about their concerns for women and girls. Just keep scrolling on down and down as far as you can go to get to them.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-woman-politics-lgbt-rights-harvey-milk-san-francisco-trans-all-women-shortlist-lily-a8189166.html

See also Angela Rayner MP writing in the Independent, lauding Labour’s commitment for a legal push to recognise gender self identification (ie an end to current certification requirements)

www.independent.co.uk/voices/lgbt-history-month-labour-conservative-theresa-may-margaret-thatcher-section-28-discrimination-a8188901.html

Managed to grab this post before it was deleted;

I'm sure the irony of flagging perfectly civil comments will be lost on the totes inclusive & progressive trans activists. They've a long list of censorious, reactionary behaviour.

lets try again.. for the 4th time..
There are untruths in this article.

1. jennifer james fundraiser is not to 'ostracise trans people', it is to access a legal conversation about 'Self ID' which is not currently law or labour party policy but which Labour seems to be endorsing regardless, possibly illegally.
2. linda bellos was talking about self defence, and did not and has never advocated physically attacking trans people. She is a respected feminist who has done more for the movement than Lily Madigan could ever dream of.
3. Lily wasn't 'attacked for being trans', he was challenged by people who feel that a womans post should be taken by a woman, an uncontroversial opinion which trans activists try to frame as bigoted.
4. Lily wasn't abused for being trans when he got the post of womens officer, he was called out for bullying his predecessor out of her post, a campaign of abuse so bad that the entire board of councillors quit in protest. The people trying to have the debate about gender are not 'transmisogynistic', they are simply saying that acceptance of trans people does not have to come at the expense of women. Take note of the focus on trans identifying males, this movement, the oxymoronic mantra of 'trans women are women' shows that the move for self ID is coming almost exclusively from trans identifying males and their allies. There is no big push coming from trans females. This is male entitlement, this is female erasure. lily has done precisely nothing for women since managing to convince a small room of people in his CLP that he would be the best choice to represent females in his constituency, he has focused entirely on trans issues. He has no Gender Recognition Certificate, he is neither a woman in reality or in law, this is the issue with self ID, and there are a myriad of legitimate reasons to oppose it. The current system protects against fakers, it offers a support structure and help with transitioning. Self ID opens to door to massive abuse of the system, as we are already seeing with male prisoners claiming to be women in order to get moved to a womens prison. Ian Huntley has claimed this, does anyone think that Ian Huntley should be sent to a womens prison? The issues around Self ID go a lot deeper than the simplistic 'live & let live' ethos that seems to be the drive behind most who have endorsed it. lets see if this comment lasts longer than half an hour this time.

I can still see comments.

If you’re on mobile they’re right at the bottom, way past all the ads and shit.

Yes, they've removed all the comments.

I suppose that's one way to try to pretend people agree with the article [cynical]

That would explain it then! Always too late to the party . . . xD

Could I politely ask for LMs tweets to be screenshotted as I am blocked and can’t see them.

I think they've recently closed and removed the comments @just5morepeas !

Well, I've looked at it on my laptop and still can't see comments. Tried turning off my add blocker in case that had anything to do with it and that didn't work.

Oh, well.

Late back here, just caught up with thread. A bit with the medical model DSM/ICD proponents.

Some background on the political history of the anti psychiatry movement and why it came into being for starters, particularly with regards to Women might be helpful for the less aware.
Excellent posts @ Miss Moneyplant. You make the points so well.

The only diagnosis I would give Madigan is that: Madigan has found fleeting infamy in the cult of the personality. Madigan's (and several others} puppet masters aim is: to keep the chaos going long enough to get Labour to implode at its September Conference. That potential consequence for Labour will not be the fault of Women speaking up for Women, but the fault of the of the Madigan and co enablers, who are unable, or unwilling, to engage with what is being said.

Linda Bellos has returned to the public arena following the death of her amazing partner.
She is a shrewd and able woman and well connected and respected. Linda Bellos, as PP have said, has a solid and lengthy history of fighting for equality. She is no shrinking violet. She will not be going away any time soon. Her voice is as loud and clear as ever.
Madigan and co are way out of their league here. Hence, all they have is a dirty tricks campaign against a Woman who is older, wiser, and who also happens to be Black, Lesbian, and of Jewish heritage. The support she can call on, is not to be underestimated.

Madigan, in my view, is a liar. He will not have a Gender Recognition Certificate. As PP have said, the time line does not fit. It is a fairly straightforward process in the Court to get the paperwork finally sorted. However, prior to this, for an individual who genuinely wants to transition, for their own personal reasons, it is a long, painful, and difficult road.
It is not about, undermining Women, trampling over Womens Rights, going on hunger strike for hair straighteners, or being a pervert and using this route to get into a Women's prison.

Here is how a GRC currently works, and why Madigan will not be able to produce a GRC. Because Madigan, in my view, has not gone through the medical examinations, diagnoses and treatments presently set out.
www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate

I couldn't work out what the connection between women getting the vote and transwomen might be.

there seems to be no end of these types now.

Can anybody link to that article in the catholic conservative of all places. It was linked in another thread after the women's march. It was a surprised noted on t'other thread that the journalist who GOT it was with the catholic conservative but I want to read it again, so I can explain, if it comes up, to a younger colleague who is always promoting trans this trans that on her fb page. one of these days I want to make her think.....

twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/959165037373001729

This is a pretty clear indication that articles like this are Madigan trolling for the purpose of collecting "abuse" to feed to their followers. I think it's best not to focus too much on Madigan.

TransHobbit

"NHS England will, as part of the Gender Identity Development Service for Children and Adolescents, commission cross sex hormones for young people with continuing gender dysphoria from around their 16th birthday subject to individuals meeting the eligibility and readiness criteria as set out in Section 6 of this document."

www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/08/clinical-com-pol-16046p.pdf

Labour is the party of white middle-class male privilege.

Yes, distinctively poor.

Madigan has been blessed by JC. So is untouchable. Even as they go after Linda Bellos, a black female with a long and impressive political history, for not towing the party line. Labour is the party of white middle-class male privilege. Which is why I left as a member and will not be voting for them.

I'm loving what Lily is retweeting:
"You say misgendering, i say "accurately describing reality
I actually have no problem using a person's preferred pronouns if they're not being complete bell-ends"

mobile.twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/959165037373001729

A TIM on reddit/asktransgender told fellow TIMs to stop complaining about NHS waiting times because you can readily buy oestrogen online for £1/day. As he pointed out, much less than a latte.

So if Lily wanted hormones, he could obtain them easily.

Is one of you Rory on this?

Dear Lily, what have you done for non-transwomen women lately? (formerly known as women, and hopefully again in the not too distant future)

And then there's this [pic] and Alan's response [other pic]

Lily, humble as ever, on Twitter a little while ago.

Yes I was wondering if the dates would add up if Lily had been to Tavi before the age cut off. From what I have read, you don't need to have actually had any hormones or surgery but if you haven't had surgery you have to say why not. UK Trans Info say:

If you haven’t had any surgery then the report must explain the reason why. This could be because you are on a waiting list, because you aren’t medically able, because you are waiting for improvements in surgical techniques, because you don’t feel the need for surgery or for any other reasons, but an explanation must be given.

I do find it extremely hard to believe that Lily has a GRC though. The Times article from November said Lily had been on a waiting list for 2 years for hormones. That doesn't happen does it? The waiting list is for initial referral I thought. There's no logical reason to make people wait 2 extra years from referral and initial assessment to get a prescription

More than happy to defer to anyone who has been through this process and if this is the case then I think it's absolutely shocking and would support any campaign to reduce this wait.

Natalia I agree, and in 15/20 years time the NHS will completely collapse, due to all these kids successfully sueing them. I just hope they sue all the other people who are complicit in this BS

Wren said the youngest child receiving medical intervention at the clinic was a girl aged 11, who identifies as a boy and is receiving hormone treatment to suppress early puberty

This makes my blood boil.

If my cousin's daughter, who is 25, has a degree and a good job and is an entirely aware and intelligent young woman, went to the doctor and asked to be sterilised because she didn't want to have children, would they do that? They would not. Because she might change her mind with the passage of time. Is this a sensible response? Possibly.

If a pre pubescent child wants medical intervention which may harm her future fertility, I sure as hell think the read through from the above should be to say no! So much changes during puberty; this sort of intervention should only be allowed for fully informed adults. Surely?