So now there is a K (for Kink) in the LGBTQIACHKP+

Yes exactly hairbod- that isn't the religion, it's not in scripture, it's down to people

Scripture? Like this scripture?www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html

Also, you do realise the Bible was written by people....right?

I've just realised why there is a campaign to makes paedophilia recognised as a sexual orientation.

Because sexual orientation is protected under the equality law.

The thing is, all these ways of being are normal, and have been around forever. If a particular sexual orientation causes you to be discriminated against, structurally or personally or both, then collective action makes sense.

Which is what gay rights was all about.

Now it's 'discriminatory' for a lesbian to refuse a transwoman sex. Which obviously, in the legal sense of the word, it isn't. But who cares about legality when you can persecute women for sex?

Surely the K is only ever going to stand for paedophilia and maybe AGP. What else is there that is widespread enough?

Cos they're not likely to add an E for the woman who fetishised the Eiffel Tower.

The only reason they've added it is it because it's a prelude to forcing acceptance of it.

AGP is certainly hiding in plain sight. Demonstrated by the many (sanitised) articles appearing in the Guardian.

And, even now, there are youngsters identifying as drag queens and getting caught up in the whole sexualisation of minors.

I would like to say that there is no way attraction to minors is going to be legitimised.

But, given what else we are expected to swallow, I'm not so sure.

The T then were cross dressers and drag artists and it was pretty mainstream at the time anyway. Think Pantomime dames. Think Les Dawson and Dame Edna Everage - though neither were very flattering to the older woman.

What does an asexuality rep do? "I didn't feel like a shag this week", "er, me either"?

That made me laugh!

I agree that T as it now stands re gender is homophobic, but it was added originally because it was about a homosexual who felt better dressed and living as a woman and other aspects of male dressing.

Miranda Yardley's thoughts on it:

mirandayardley.com/en/what-autogynephilia-is-and-what-is-it-not-a-brief-note/

We have heard a lot in the past about how the T help the LGB and make the pride marches colourful........so it is now as if they are beholden. Like the person that buts in and helps then say you have to do it for them. All the virtue signalling is that they expect favours in return.

What on earth is friends and family and the one after it??

In the ole days, although LG (and the many arguments that finally added the B) WASN'T actually about sex -- of course it was in terms of the many queries as to what EXACTLY lesbians did in bed as soon as you came out. :-(

As someone else already said, for me (including gay marriage), it was more to do with pension rights and hospital access and not getting thumped in the street for holding hands, that it was about sex. The male gaze, however, seems inordinately interested in what lesbians do (including the many pervy blokes who turned up at mixed gay nights just to lech over the dykes). LGB, we (possibly) have some stuff in common some of the time, but after that, T and anything else just nothing to do with us. T only there in the first place because the gay venues weren't going to freak out over a bloke in a dress.............

T has nothing to do with sexuality. It's actually homophobic and at odds with LGB. Stonewall only recently have in to the pressure and added the T. 'Transgender' is an homophobic category because it's all about gender not sex. It purports that someone in a male body, or modified male body can be a lesbian.

One of my boy’s young friends out a comment on FB, yesterday, to say he was called a transphobe because he didn’t understand trans and what it actually means when someone says they’re trans. He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask! 🤔 He tried to explain he was asking questions in order to understand, but BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT! You couldn’t make this shit up. Btw, the young man is mixed race, gay and has Aspergers, so has a more than average understanding of being on the receiving end of bigotry!

T'was ever thus. Some know-it-all-who-does-not-know-it-all thinks they know everything about a taboo subject and then holds it over their peers. I a naïve earlier world it was knowing where babies came from.

We seem to have come a long way from that, yet nowhere.

Can someone explain the F in the alphabet soup? I understand that it means Friends and Family - is that having friends and family or wanting to have sex with friends and family?

Speaking as a lesbian I don't identify with most of the others bits of the acronym. Got nothing in common with gay men, nothing in common with the homophobic T element.

Positively that's appalling. My son, who is HF Autistic thinks there should be a separate category for all Trans and that women's spaces should not be compromised. He's adamant about this too and won't change his mind on it. He loves the Suffragettes and is quite taken by them and the history of it.

Sorry, but I do feel the qualifier is needed. Always!

Also to middle aged people with their much younger partners. Get a bloody room! Observer's are not jealous and are quite sick at the antics.

Just getting this off my chest.

I’m waiting for the TRAs to start throwing their toys out of the oram, because they’re nothing like the Ks. Course you’re not dear. 😏

Actually I think it’s brilliant they’ve joined because it’s just showing what a crock of shit this alphabet soup is and I hope the LGB members start a breakaway group. Of course they’d all be called bigots for doing so.

One of my boy’s young friends out a comment on FB, yesterday, to say he was called a transphobe because he didn’t understand trans and what it actually means when someone says they’re trans. He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask! 🤔 He tried to explain he was asking questions in order to understand, but BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT! You couldn’t make this shit up. Btw, the young man is mixed race, gay and has Aspergers, so has a more than average understanding of being on the receiving end of bigotry!

I figured that was implied Elendon. But maybe we need to add those preferences on? At least then it would be clear who to avoid.

What does an asexuality rep do? "I didn't feel like a shag this week", "er, me either"?

No one cares what sex you are having.

Well so long as it's consensual and with those above the age of consent.

then maybe STOP GOING ON ABOUT IT. Literally no one except your partner needs to know.

And indeed telling people about it - unless they have specifically asked for details, or are in a situation (eg reading a blog called This Is What I Do In My Kinky, Poly Sex Life, Illustrated ) where you have to seek out those details - is involving other people in your sex life without their consent. Which is not on.

When I was at uni we had an LGB society. Mainly we met up, had a few drinks and went dancing. Now it is an LGBQT+ society with an asexuality rep. What does an asexuality rep do? "I didn't feel like a shag this week", "er, me either"?

I expect I am missing some sort of political point and am probably some kind of -phobic.

Yes Annie. That. Exactly.

No one cares what sex you are having. It has no bearing on any other facet of your life. You’re not discriminated against because of it. Unlike WHO you are doing it with which for some reason made a difference to other people for so long.

Oh, and if people do care what type of sex you are having, then maybe STOP GOING ON ABOUT IT. Literally no one except your partner needs to know.

Hmmm, nauticant, I think that's a different thing. (I am currently trying to remember the tumblr-friendly word for that - I'm sure there is one.)

The thing is, all these ways of being are normal, and have been around forever. If a particular sexual orientation causes you to be discriminated against, structurally or personally or both, then collective action makes sense. If it doesn't - like asexuality or demisexuality (which I understand as "only fancying someone once you know them a bit", which is hardly anything out of the ordinary) - then by all means label yourselves, but none of the rest of us care.