So now there is a K (for Kink) in the LGBTQIACHKP+

My reaction to this was...what? Why?

And then I thought, am I being a bigot here, being as I’m also of a religious persuasion?

And then I thought um, no, kink is (presumably) something you do IN PRIVATE, so why on earth would it affect your rights or safety in public? If you’re gay or lesbian or bisexual in a same sex relationship there are parts of the world that are actively dangerous to you, and there are people even in countries with same sex marriage who’d be happy to beat you up.

Unless you’re fighting for your right to be kinky in public spaces, why would you add it to a campaign group?

Maybe it’s not a campaign group any more. Maybe it’s more like a social club? (Or a religion, ha.) Because if you’re British, what rights are you missing? Never mind the countries you’d be stoned to death in, let’s publicise how kinky and open minded we are!

Though I’m always wary of asking “what rights don’t [group] have in this country?” Because even if the answer is actually “none” you still sound like an MRA.

Isn't that "aromantic"? Oh who the fuck knows or cares!

I always initially read this as "aromatic" and want to respond with "you know, bathing more often might help with that".

He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask!

Whole thing in a nutshell, innit? A proper ally would have already educated themselves! Because glitterqueer people are so fascinating, you see, that obviously bigotry is the only reason one wouldn't sit around googling definitions all day.

I'm sure that I know (and am related to) plenty of people who'd technically qualify as kinky but, much like the vegetarian friend who I didn't know was a vegetarian until we had lunch together and were choosing a place to go, it's not something I'm necessarily aware of because they're not trying to use their label as a substitute for a personality.

Mid 40s here Ova.

Probably, I'm early 40s and I miss the 90s

Jeez.

I remember the 'T' being added on - when I was at uni, it was always LGB.

Who knew what that would lead to??

I'm guessing you're about the same age as me Ova

Me too. My first introduction to the internet was at university, dial up that took forever to load rather dull pages. I could never have imagined that it would become what it has.

Which is why I'm not a billionaire online pioneer.

It does Ova, I've been online for 25 years and life now is unrecognisable from when I was in my late teens.

I'm glad I'm not in my late teens now.

I don't have an answer to the dilemma btw. Short of some disaster scenario that leaves us with no or limited electricity I think this Genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

Yes, I think now that we are approaching two decades of mainstream internet usage and roughly a decade of social media usage we are seeing the downsides to having so much access and knowledge at our fingertips. I say this with the caveat that the internet has a great many upsides too.

I was just having a conversation on the back of this thread and I do think as a PP said, it was when the T was added plus another PP's observation regarding the internet.

What has happened (I think) is that connectivity, instead of creating a Glorious Global Community has created delineation and extreme schism and egotism.

Whereas we lived in small communities with a diverse mix of personality types in which people had to get along, we now have an environment in which every proclivity can find a community and become ever-more extreme in their beliefs and behaviour.

LGB were pre-internet and had a genuine movement for equal rights within relationships or an actual legal right to have sex with a partner of their choice. It was important and necessary.

The movement now seems more about personal validation of sexual choices. Which nobody other than the individual actually gives a shit about.

Which suggests to me, as was ever thus, that people who will not shut the fuck up about what they like to do (or not) with their genitals should probably keep it to themselves.

(And probably have the most uninteresting, proscribed sex ever).

but just don't put much store in any emotional component.

Isn't that "aromantic"? Oh who the fuck knows or cares!

Thehairbod-
That was a ridiculous article that cherry picks verses out of context with no understanding of any sort of theology. Typical anti religious propaganda, which has been done over the years to lessen resistance to the increasing onslaught sexual "freedoms".
All western traditional values are being undone, and religion needed to go. Same reason communists have always attacked religion.
Typically sexual freedoms usually increase as real freedom decreases, we are headed towards a totalitarian state.

Much as I want to Drop The T (and Q) right now, it's clear that the career-Queers at the top won't allow it. However, I think it's only a matter of waiting a few years, because once they've used our organisations and money to entrench themselves in positions of significant power, I'm quite certain the T will be the ones kicking us out, for being "transphobic". I also imagine it'll be about then that they start 'terfing' out the "truscum" and "transmedicalists", before turning on the TIFs.

At this point adding a P for predator would cover the majority of the letters recently added to the LGB quiltbag.

How about gay people who 'identify as' straight?

I: identifyingasbeingstraight.

While understanding what you mean. I seriously and 100% honestly could not care less what sexuality people are. Nor do I assume that people are straight. I've enough life experience to know that's simply not true.
I can only speak for myself but if I meet a new person for the first time I am more interested in whether or not they are nice good humans and absolutely not whether they are straight, gay, bi etc... it doesn't cross my mind.

"I don't need to know if a person is LGBT........"
Usually, the 'I don't care if someone is gay' line is coming from someone who isn't sick of the assumption that everyone is straight......

The experience of lesbians (in my experience) is that people do care, and even if they don't, we all still worry that they might when you tell them, since the default assumption still is that women aren't.

Overall, sex, sexual orientation, these are things that effect your social interactions in some way, even if you wish they didn't. Peoples exact sexual proclivities don't unless you are unfortunately someone who sees the need to impose your exact preferences on everyone else (gay scene and whatever is the modern equivalent of the hanky code excepted for those of us who are still boring enough to actually meet in person rather than online....................)

My mind is boggling at what F for friends and family stands for

What the fuck man. What is wrong with just being people?
I don't need to know if a person is LGBT..... or whatever. If people are decent humans then I really don't give a rats ass what sexuality or legal sexual preference they have.
Are we going to get the point where we all have letters after our names?
Hi I'm Fluffy (mostly)S(sometimes)B(quite often)K :) :)
This world is going mad or has maybe gone already.

The only letter missing is 'S', which stands for Straight.

How about gay people who 'identify as' straight?

I genuinely can see a M for minor attracted being added someday soon. I think this is a large part of all of this trans stuff being pushed aggressively. Trans-age is the next one to become mainstream. And if you are actually a 10 year old trapped in a 50 year olds body...well...its all fine isn't it. Yuck.

I am surprised so many don't seem to be able to see where this is all going. Its PIE all over again, purposely keeping kids prepubescent also, creating 'legal children'..just wrong wrong wrong.

Please can someone explain to me why the Q for Queer is in this acronym

I get questioning but firstly isn't queer an outdated and offensive term that used to mean gay. & secondly how is it different from the "LGBTQI" part. What does it add exactly?

I have a suggestion: let's call it ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRTUVWXYZ.

The only letter missing is 'S', which stands for Straight.