So now there is a K (for Kink) in the LGBTQIACHKP+

As a gay female this absolutely infuriates me! The message is being diluted and all the supposedly gay campaigning charities are exclusively focussing on trans issues, the majority of which happen to be men, women are just not important anymore, not even in the groups and societies designed to give lesbians a safe space because now any man can call himself a woman and declare that he and his wife are now lesbians as well. They may as well just add an s for straight on the end as well.

I saw a tweet the other day that said queer was a label worn by otherwise normal, middle class / rich kids with relatively easy and boring lives to make them feel like they could get a share of oppression. It's this generation's Common People.

This is why there needs to be a fine line between encouraging people to recognise when they have a degree of privilege over others in life and demonising them for the system they were born into.

I saw a tweet the other day that said queer was a label worn by otherwise normal, middle class / rich kids with relatively easy and boring lives to make them feel like they could get a share of oppression. It's this generation's Common People.

Yes

Isn't that "aromantic"? Oh who the fuck knows or cares!

That's the bunny, Ereshkigal! Or as it used to be known in the olden days, "up for a casual shag".

He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask!

I feel this has a huge part in how many people are reaching peaktrans these days. Any question they ask has them shouted down as a bigot. The 'educate yourself' mantra is a bit..stupid. As once people do go research for themselves they tend to turn gender critical!

Not sure what I missed there...

Right... that got weird quickly

Is that someone trying to be kinky then

Yeah I won't be doing that Aaron. Soz.

Errrr, ok...

Next up, poly oversharing!

I really don't care what people do in the privacy of their own home/sex club/etc but it would be great if they didn't drone on endlessly about it to people who aren't interested. Read the room, kinksters!

Oh, phew. Yes. Quite.

Oh, I know! I'm just pointing out that if these people are "kinky" they're breaking the rules of their own community, which likes to pretend that it cares deeply about consent.

so why shouldn’t they?

Oh god, that’s not my opinion angry, I’m just putting it forward as what they would argue.

Both my feet are firmly in the ‘get a room’ camp!

LGB - and indeed the 'old-style' T - are having a mockery made of their hard won rights by this nonsense of adding 'kink' and whatnot on - it's utterly laughable to say that someone would be discriminated against for a liking of kink.

And don't even get me started on the the other letters -what the fuck do they all mean? Friends and family, 2 spirit, questioning, curious? wtaf.

LGB need to REMOVE themselves from this Tragedy of the Ludicrous.

so why shouldn’t they?

Because including other people in your scene without their permission is a violation of consent. If you want to lead someone around on a leash in public that's what fetish clubs are for.

Unless you’re fighting for your right to be kinky in public spaces, why would you add it to a campaign group?

There are loads of these though - lots of tabloid and magazine stories about couples who use leads in public... who would probably argue that it’s not a sex thing, it’s a ‘dynamic’ or their identity so why shouldn’t they? (Its too early still for me to risk googling those though - sorry...)

I've just read the article and my response was the same, WiseUp.

So, as I have friends who are L and G and my son's friends include P, G and A... surely we're all covered by it somewhere along the line...

Mid 40s here Ova

Mid 40s here too, and terribly glad I was a young lesbian in the 1990s, not now.

I have had to look up a few of the terms later in the list and don’t understand why they are there. Ally and Friends & Family appear just to refer to people who are close to people who identify with the alphabet soup and stand up for their right to live a peaceful life.

I and probably half the people I care about are gender non-conforming in some way (I like prog rock and DIY, and don’t wear heels for instance). One of my dearest friends is a lesbian, and I know and care about plenty of other lesbians and gay men. I undoubtedly also know and care about plenty of people who are bi, questioning and celibate, and I’d be staggered to learn all my friends were entirely kink-free (assuming ‘kink’ includes all non-vanilla sex), but I can’t categorise anyone in this way because we haven’t talked about it. My ex was definitely aromantic, but I’m still quite fond of him, so does that also count? 😄

So surely we’re all in there, part of the massive alphabetti spaghetti? I don’t understand what it’s for. I am quite old though.

Point I was trying to make is that, for some peoole, they feel their sexual preferences are the only interesting thing about them.

If I were LGB, I think I'd be really pissed off at having all these extra letters/people tagged on.

Reminds me of my gay friend who joined an 'inclusive' organisation and, when she filled in the monitoring form, heterosexual/bi sexual/homosexual/prefer not to say had been replaced by 36 different options. 36!!

She said a) it was so wooly that she could have ticked about 6 of them and stating b) if you are/'identify as' homosexual/heteroromantic or asexual/homoromantic; heterosexual/homoromantic; heterosexual/aromantic; homosexual/aromantic (to name 5 of them) is a level of detail probably too far.

Also reminds me of when I was 21 and I met a 17 year old gay lad who asked me what my sexual preference was (only a 17 year old would think it an appropriate question to ask someone they'd just met). When I told him, he sneered "oh really? I thought you'd be more interesting than that".