BBC - Who, or what, defines you as a woman?

One of the things that bothers me most is when someone (sane) on Twitter defines womanhood by biology or xx chromosomes or possession of a vagina, and the TRAs immediately pounce and say, "oh so you're reducing a woman to her chromosomes! You're basically saying she's a walking vagina. That's so misogynistic!"
Well, no, the fact that anyone would say that suggests a really basic lack of understanding of how language works or a massive streak of disingenuousness.
It doesn't reduce a woman to her vagina or chromosomes anymore than calling Donald Trump a president means he is restricted to being merely 'head of state'. He's also old, fat, an arsehole, a misogynist, racist, orange, rich, a father, a husband and stupid.
A woman can be many other things as well, and the joy of language is that we have the words to describe those other things.
Woman is a biological term. It doesn't need to incorporate a load of other meanings for the sake of a few dishonest little men who want to lay claim to it.

They don't see women and girls as 3D beings with actual internal lives and thoughts and individual experiences at all really do they.

That's it.

I stopped when someone said "I feel female".

Female is not a feeling it is a material reality.

They don't see women and girls as 3D beings with actual internal lives and thoughts and individual experiences at all really do they.

No-one’s challenged you in a public toilet because women don’t pick arguments with men in public toilets. It doesnt mean they didn’t notice you or were comfortable with you being there. If you were a woman, you’d know this.

Well quite. Are they just being niave- or manipulative when this is trotted out. Tbh, I don’t know how I’d feel seeing a large really obviously male TW in the loos - afaik, it’s not happened yet. I fo stop and give pause when i walk in and there’s a male cleaner or maintenance man - I’ve possibly walked out again at times and went elsewhere - it definitely throws me and makes me uncomfortable. Changing rooms/dhowers - a whole different situation again - though a TW did use my clubs communal shower/changing areas. One woman made an official complaint when the TW walked in when the woman was alone naked in the showers.

I was interviewed for this. I stated all the reasons it's a terrible idea, prisons, rape crises centres, medical care etc etc, but they haven't included it.

Sounds about right.

I think some of it is fear of being called transphobic. The guardian/observer's reporting on prisoner Marie looks to me like serious bias and quite possibly deliberate. I will never trust or buy the guardian or observer again.

The expert failed to mention that when the trans identified male shows up swinging his dick in the changing room or rest room the women clump up and wait for him to finish so they can go back to what they were doing.

Well, why don't they ask US? If you're asking -

Periods - heavy, painful, disruptive

Pregnancy & maternity care

Childbirth & antenatal care

Rape by penis

Pornographic degradation against women

Family planning - contraception & abortion rights

Being looked down on for enjoying social time like fathers do - have a drink or dance at the local pub

Cervical smears

Ovarians cysts

Fibroids

PCOS

Menopausal flushes

Bone fragility in advancing years

Reproductive Cancers

I could go on and on...

I was interviewed for this. I stated all the reasons it's a terrible idea, prisons, rape crises centres, medical care etc etc, but they haven't included it.

That's very interesting, ICan.

I've been getting the impression from the latest round of coverage that the media is putting on a show of pretending to examine the issue (since it's been forced into the public eye by the AWS fundraiser), while actually rigging the 'debate' so that the only acceptable outcome is a stream of public figures affirming that 'trans women are women'.

I did wonder if the refusal to engage with the substantive issues around self-ID was a result of ignorance rather than deliberate bias, and you've now confirmed that it's the latter. Chilling.

woman - their time of the month is written in a diary with butterflies on it with pink glittery writing, obv. Cos that's what ladies like

It's their Mysterious Hormonal Cycle. Apparently it happens every month, because they are women, right? It's a scary primeval thing. They are proud to connect to the goddess as cis women do.

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/

Have lodged a complaint about bias and asked for a response,I can't wait

But how do they know when to do those things??

Also Ms I feel female, how are you dealing with those period cramps?

Don't ever ask them this! You will get a long detailed mansplain about how they cry and eat chocolate and do all the other things they've observed women doing when Aunt Flo comes calling.

No-one’s challenged you in a public toilet because women don’t pick arguments with men in public toilets. It doesnt mean they didn’t notice you or were comfortable with you being there. If you were a woman, you’d know this.

Also Ms I feel female, how are you dealing with those period cramps?

Fuck right off.

(OTOH, the bbc wouldn’t even have made this a few months ago.)

But it obviously doesn't fit their message. So I've been silenced. By the men that made this video.

What a bunch of arseholes. Fuck their agenda, this conversation will be held with or without them. Sorry you wasted your time bravely speaking out and worrying about it only for them to drop it

That's terrible, ICan. Thank you for standing up and doing it though, that's so important in this climate.

I was interviewed for this. I stated all the reasons it's a terrible idea, prisons, rape crises centres, medical care etc etc, but they haven't included it.

They were going to, and I have been worrying about the repercussions, but was prepared to stand up and say my piece.

But it obviously doesn't fit their message. So I've been silenced. By the men that made this video.

@faceless, there's already no need for surgery or hormones, to get a GRC. Just a more deliberate and longer drawn out process, with the intention of it being permanent. The opposite of self-ID.

I think it's good it's being discussed and the TIMs were so obviously men. Disappointed not more emphasis was put on not needing any surgery or hormone treatment, and how it'll make targeting resources more difficult because of differing needs.

It looks very BBC3.

Linda said one sentence when speaking in cambridge, when discussing the Hyde Park attack, that if anyone came for her she would hit them back as she does karate - ie legit self defence. This has now turned into Lily being afraid to sit in the same room. Libel.

Please don't perpetuate that myth.

Linda is being used to speak as she's used to doing it and was the third named person on Lily's hitlist.

Not quite the BBC but this from a piss take news site...

southendnewsnetwork.com/news/man-sues-boss-who-wouldnt-let-him-declare-himself-pregnant-and-take-maternity-leave/

By only including Linda I think they were attempting to go for the stuffy, old woman who isn't down with the kids angle.

I mean what's wrong with a pink haired teenage boy who says fuck it I'm forcing myself into the female school locker rooms whether anyone likes it or not.